[bestbits] Letter to Pres. Rousseff, was, Re: [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN

parminder parminder at itforchange.net
Wed Sep 25 10:19:01 EDT 2013


I very much support this proposal... Was about to suggest this myself on 
the IGC list.

we should do it..... parminder

On Wednesday 25 September 2013 07:41 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
> Dear all
>
> I would like to propose that we do a letter from civil society 
> commending her on her speech. We could mention our support and wishes 
> for the Marco Civil, and, if we want, the multi-lateral vs. 
> multi-stakeholder question.
>
> Anriette
>
> On 25/09/2013 15:41, Gene Kimmelman wrote:
>> Having been in these situations in the U.S., I fully understand the 
>> need to accept and fully embrace progress; I do not want to interfere 
>> in what our Brazilian friends are fully capable of handling, other 
>> than to say I fully support the sentiment expressed by Joana and Carlos!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com 
>> <mailto:joana at varonferraz.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear all,
>>
>>     I totally support Carlos Afonso's view.
>>
>>     One step at the time.
>>
>>     What matters now is that Dilma has clearly mentioned the CGI.br
>>     principles, including the support for net neutrality. It means a
>>     LOT for our national scenario and for years of fight to try to
>>     pass Marco Civil. Meaning it wont be easy for telcos to take down
>>     net neutrality provisions from the draft bill.
>>
>>     Even better, this all has happened right after she opened a
>>     channel of communication/consulation with CGI.br. That's THE
>>     dynamics for internet public policies we dreamed about in Brazil.
>>     The issue on using the word "multilateral" shall NOT be used to
>>     loose the focus on this major achievement.
>>
>>     It is indeed an issue of concern. But it's not actually something
>>     new. It has been highlighted in several opportunities in the
>>     Brazilian positions at ITU, held by Anatel, our regulatory
>>     agency.  For instance, in our previous opinion on the role of
>>     States. Nevertheless, positions from our Ministry of Foreign
>>     Affairs towards multistakeholderism are very clear and positive.
>>     And now CGI.br has the door open with the president to correct
>>     explain all the important debate of multistakeholder approach on
>>     IG. So we have opportunities to correct this schizophrenic aspect
>>     and there is hope.
>>
>>     So, please, people, let's be positive and understand that having
>>     the President referring to these principles - an to Internet
>>     Policies - in the UNGA is not a minor thing. I had the lucky to
>>     be in a panel at the Council of Europe a few minutes after she
>>     delivered the speech and managed to incorporate some of her
>>     quotes in my presentation. The public got really impressed.
>>
>>     all the best
>>
>>     joana
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     -- 
>>
>>     Joana Varon Ferraz
>>     @joana_varon
>>     PGP 0x016B8E73
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca
>>     <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear people,
>>
>>         I am not sure we will go too far (although philosophers can
>>         really be
>>         far-fetched in this exercise) in doing an exegesis of her
>>         discourse. Let
>>         us see how the practice goes. The signs are good: she entered
>>         the room
>>         to talk to us CGI.br folk with our 10 Principles in hand and
>>         the first
>>         thing she told us was she agreed with them.
>>
>>         She also mentioned the Marco Civil as proposed by the
>>         rapporteur (result
>>         of a 4-year public dialogue) is the one she agrees with
>>         (which is the
>>         one CGI.br formally supported), and was going to fight for
>>         it, although
>>         recognizing that as bill of law transiting through Congress
>>         it might
>>         suffer modifications which she might veto but Congress could
>>         reverse and
>>         so on -- in summary, normal practice in a democratic State.
>>         The big
>>         challenge now is the process in Congress, where the
>>         transnational telcos
>>         and big media have enormous power.
>>
>>         frt rgds
>>
>>         --c.a.
>>
>>         On 09/24/2013 09:58 PM, Diego Rafael Canabarro wrote:
>>         > the Steering Committee principle reads as "Internet
>>         governance must be
>>         > exercised in a transparent, multilateral and democratic
>>         manner, with the
>>         > participation of the various sectors of society, thereby
>>         preserving and
>>         > encouraging its character as a collective creation."
>>         >
>>         > Her wording for the UNGA says: "Open, multilateral and
>>         democratic
>>         > governance, carried out with transparency by stimulating
>>         collective
>>         > creativity and the participation of society, Governments
>>         and the private
>>         > sector."
>>         >
>>         > My reading of that is that: (1) it does not repeat the idea
>>         that Internet
>>         > governance as a collective creation and (2) the first one
>>         defines Internet
>>         > governance as something "with the participation of the
>>         various sectors of
>>         > society", and the second only mentions it should be carried
>>         out with
>>         > stimuli for "the participation of society, governments and
>>         the private
>>         > sector."
>>         >
>>         > Can you see my point?
>>         > Em português o trem funciona do mesmo jeito.
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Carolina Rossini <
>>         > carolina.rossini at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:carolina.rossini at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>         >
>>         >>
>>         >> Via Renata Avila, segue discurso da Dilma na UN.
>>         >> Coming from Renata Avila, see attached Dilma draft speech
>>         at UN.
>>         >> C
>>         >>
>>         >> --
>>         >> *Carolina Rossini*
>>         >> *Project Director, Latin America Resource Center*
>>         >> Open Technology Institute
>>         >> *New America Foundation*
>>         >> //
>>         >> http://carolinarossini.net/
>>         >> + 1 6176979389 <tel:%2B%201%206176979389>
>>         >> *carolina.rossini at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:carolina.rossini at gmail.com>*
>>         >> skype: carolrossini
>>         >> @carolinarossini
>>         >>
>>         >>
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