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    <font face="Verdana">I very much support this proposal... Was about
      to suggest this myself on the IGC list.<br>
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      we should do it..... parminder <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 25 September 2013 07:41
      PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:<br>
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      Dear all<br>
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      I would like to propose that we do a letter from civil society
      commending her on her speech. We could mention our support and
      wishes for the Marco Civil, and, if we want, the multi-lateral vs.
      multi-stakeholder question.<br>
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      Anriette<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/09/2013 15:41, Gene Kimmelman
        wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Having been in these situations in the U.S., I
          fully understand the need to accept and fully embrace
          progress; I do not want to interfere in what our Brazilian
          friends are fully capable of handling, other than to say I
          fully support the sentiment expressed by Joana and Carlos!</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:04 AM,
            Joana Varon <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com" target="_blank">joana@varonferraz.com</a>></span>
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                      <div>Dear all, <br>
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                        I totally support Carlos Afonso's view. <br>
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                      One step at the time. <br>
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                      What matters now is that Dilma has clearly
                      mentioned the CGI.br principles, including the
                      support for net neutrality. It means a LOT for our
                      national scenario and for years of fight to try to
                      pass Marco Civil. Meaning it wont be easy for
                      telcos to take down net neutrality provisions from
                      the draft bill.<br>
                      <br>
                      Even better, this all has happened right after she
                      opened a channel of communication/consulation with
                      CGI.br. That's THE dynamics for internet public
                      policies we dreamed about in Brazil. The issue on
                      using the word "multilateral" shall NOT be used to
                      loose the focus on this major achievement. <br>
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                    It is indeed an issue of concern. But it's not
                    actually something new. It has been highlighted in
                    several opportunities in the Brazilian positions at
                    ITU, held by Anatel, our regulatory agency.  For
                    instance, in our previous opinion on the role of
                    States. Nevertheless, positions from our Ministry of
                    Foreign Affairs towards multistakeholderism are very
                    clear and positive. And now CGI.br has the door open
                    with the president to correct explain all the
                    important debate of multistakeholder approach on IG.
                    So we have opportunities to correct this
                    schizophrenic aspect and there is hope. <br>
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                  So, please, people, let's be positive and understand
                  that having the President referring to these
                  principles - an to Internet Policies - in the UNGA is
                  not a minor thing. I had the lucky to be in a panel at
                  the Council of Europe a few minutes after she
                  delivered the speech and managed to incorporate some
                  of her quotes in my presentation. The public got
                  really impressed. <br>
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                <div>all the best<br>
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                  joana<br>
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                    -- <br>
                    -- <br>
                    <br>
                    Joana Varon Ferraz<br>
                    @joana_varon<br>
                    PGP 0x016B8E73<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:28
                    PM, Carlos A. Afonso <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                      class="gmail_quote">Dear people,<br>
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                      I am not sure we will go too far (although
                      philosophers can really be<br>
                      far-fetched in this exercise) in doing an exegesis
                      of her discourse. Let<br>
                      us see how the practice goes. The signs are good:
                      she entered the room<br>
                      to talk to us CGI.br folk with our 10 Principles
                      in hand and the first<br>
                      thing she told us was she agreed with them.<br>
                      <br>
                      She also mentioned the Marco Civil as proposed by
                      the rapporteur (result<br>
                      of a 4-year public dialogue) is the one she agrees
                      with (which is the<br>
                      one CGI.br formally supported), and was going to
                      fight for it, although<br>
                      recognizing that as bill of law transiting through
                      Congress it might<br>
                      suffer modifications which she might veto but
                      Congress could reverse and<br>
                      so on -- in summary, normal practice in a
                      democratic State. The big<br>
                      challenge now is the process in Congress, where
                      the transnational telcos<br>
                      and big media have enormous power.<br>
                      <br>
                      frt rgds<br>
                      <br>
                      --c.a.<br>
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                        On 09/24/2013 09:58 PM, Diego Rafael Canabarro
                        wrote:<br>
                        > the Steering Committee principle reads as
                        "Internet governance must be<br>
                        > exercised in a transparent, multilateral
                        and democratic manner, with the<br>
                        > participation of the various sectors of
                        society, thereby preserving and<br>
                        > encouraging its character as a collective
                        creation."<br>
                        ><br>
                        > Her wording for the UNGA says: "Open,
                        multilateral and democratic<br>
                        > governance, carried out with transparency
                        by stimulating collective<br>
                        > creativity and the participation of
                        society, Governments and the private<br>
                        > sector."<br>
                        ><br>
                        > My reading of that is that: (1) it does not
                        repeat the idea that Internet<br>
                        > governance as a collective creation and (2)
                        the first one defines Internet<br>
                        > governance as something "with the
                        participation of the various sectors of<br>
                        > society", and the second only mentions it
                        should be carried out with<br>
                        > stimuli for "the participation of society,
                        governments and the private<br>
                        > sector."<br>
                        ><br>
                        > Can you see my point?<br>
                        > Em português o trem funciona do mesmo
                        jeito.<br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Carolina
                        Rossini <<br>
                        > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>>

                        wrote:<br>
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                        >><br>
                        >> Via Renata Avila, segue discurso da
                        Dilma na UN.<br>
                        >> Coming from Renata Avila, see attached
                        Dilma draft speech at UN.<br>
                        >> C<br>
                        >><br>
                        >> --<br>
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                      >> *Carolina Rossini*<br>
                      >> *Project Director, Latin America Resource
                      Center*<br>
                      <div>>> Open Technology Institute<br>
                        >> *New America Foundation*<br>
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                        <div>>> //<br>
                          >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          >> *<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>*<br>
                          >> skype: carolrossini<br>
                          >> @carolinarossini<br>
                          >><br>
                          >><br>
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anriette esterhuysen <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>
executive director, association for progressive communications
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