[bestbits] Joint civil society endorsements for London meeting of High-Level Panel

Fri Nov 29 10:35:48 EST 2013

Recognizing that there were misunderstandings on many sides, I'm wondering
whether a mad dash to respond to what appears to have been an off-the-cuff
lapel-grabbed "invitation" to participate in an internal ICANN exercise in
self-importance is worth tossing away whatever credibility and legitimacy CS
has gained for the probity of its internal processes over the last 10 years.

The real issues, and they are very real indeed, will hopefully be addressed
in Brazil and I think the time and energy would/will have been better spent
putting together some legitimate, transparent and effectively accountable
nomination and policy development processes in anticipation of what will be
required from CS to be a useful and legitimate partner in those activities.

M

<http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/11/27/internet-justice-a-meme-whose-time
-has-come/>
http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/11/27/internet-justice-a-meme-whose-time-
has-come/

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[mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Nnenna Nwakanma
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 5:34 AM
Cc: Jeremy Malcolm; &lt,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt,
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Joint civil society endorsements for London meeting
of High-Level Panel

Hi Jeremy, all

I have nothing againt the two nominees.   The whole part of 1Net, what is it
doing on the HLP? These are two different issues.  I went to the pad and
canceled out the paragraph on 1Net, but there is still 1Net on the  very
first paragraph.

I do NOT think this letter is clear. In such communications, the shorter the
better. If HLP  is mixed with 1Net, Fadi can decide to construe it the way
he wants. One possible misunderstanding will be that the two are being
proposed for the HLP and also for 1Net..

My suggstion will be to have a 2 paragraph letter saying:

1.	We had informed you that we wanted more CS representation on the HLP
2.	We formed a joint committee of several CS networks
3.	We have consulted as rapidly as possible to be able to  have the
suggested reps integrated in time for London
4.	Here are the suggestions

Just keep the communication to London and leave 1Net alone

My 2 cents

N

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Anja Kovacs <anja at internetdemocracy.in>
wrote:

Dear all,

The two nominees have my full support, but again, I have considerable issues
with the letter in which their nomination is supposed to be shared with
ICANN - in fact so much so that I was wondering whether this was written in
jest, to see if someone would pick up on these issues? 

In any case, just in case it wasn't in jest: I do not remember anyone ever
claiming that the panel was a 1net panel. It was very clear that it emerged
out of ICANN, and though some who are involved in 1net might have been
consulted on it to a greater extent than others, that doesn't change this
fundamental fact. The letter thus confuses issues, and by doing so, is
unnecessarily antagonistic. More importantly, it therefore also gives the
panel a weight that not all on this list (and on the IGC list, as far as I
could see) feel it deserves - in fact, some are quite clear it does not, and
the panel thus should not be sanctified in ways that have not been agreed
on. 

There are also a few strange terms being used in the letter. As far as I
know, the panel was never named the "CEO's High Level Panel". Also, if
someone could guide me to a space where I can find out more about
"multi-equal-stakeholderism" and its origins, I'd be grateful - first time I
hear about this.

In its current form, I find it quite unacceptable to send this.

My 2 paise,
Anja

On 29 November 2013 10:52, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:

On 29/11/13 13:18, Adam Peake wrote:

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for this.

I have a concern.  But first could you please explain who was involved in
the selection process, who from which organizations, what criteria
considered, who were the candidates considered.  

My experience of trying to co-coordinate CS contributions to IG topics for a
couple of years during the Tunis phase of WSIS and later involvement with
the first couple of years of IGF, this just doesn't sit well with me.

I will address this in the old thread (Re: [bestbits] Formation of a joint
steering Committee - as received).  This thread is not for process concerns,
just for comments on the two names.

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