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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Recognizing that there were misunderstandings on many sides, I’m wondering whether a mad dash to respond to what appears to have been an off-the-cuff lapel-grabbed “invitation” to participate in an internal ICANN exercise in self-importance is worth tossing away whatever credibility and legitimacy CS has gained for the probity of its internal processes over the last 10 years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The real issues, and they are very real indeed, will hopefully be addressed in Brazil and I think the time and energy would/will have been better spent putting together some legitimate, transparent and effectively accountable nomination and policy development processes in anticipation of what will be required from CS to be a useful and legitimate partner in those activities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/11/27/internet-justice-a-meme-whose-time-has-come/"><span style='color:blue'>http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/11/27/internet-justice-a-meme-whose-time-has-come/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://tinyurl.com/lwuyvdk"><span style='color:blue'>http://tinyurl.com/lwuyvdk</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nnenna Nwakanma<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 29, 2013 5:34 AM<br><b>Cc:</b> Jeremy Malcolm; <,bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>,<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Joint civil society endorsements for London meeting of High-Level Panel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Jeremy, all<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I have nothing againt the two nominees. The whole part of 1Net, what is it doing on the HLP? These are two different issues. I went to the pad and canceled out the paragraph on 1Net, but there is still 1Net on the very first paragraph.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I do NOT think this letter is clear. In such communications, the shorter the better. If HLP is mixed with 1Net, Fadi can decide to construe it the way he wants. One possible misunderstanding will be that the two are being proposed for the HLP and also for 1Net..<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>My suggstion will be to have a 2 paragraph letter saying:<o:p></o:p></p></div><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>We had informed you that we wanted more CS representation on the HLP<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>We formed a joint committee of several CS networks<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>We have consulted as rapidly as possible to be able to have the suggested reps integrated in time for London<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Here are the suggestions<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p>Just keep the communication to London and leave 1Net alone<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>My 2 cents<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>N<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Anja Kovacs <<a href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in" target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear all,<br><br>The two nominees have my full support, but again, I have considerable issues with the letter in which their nomination is supposed to be shared with ICANN - in fact so much so that I was wondering whether this was written in jest, to see if someone would pick up on these issues? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>In any case, just in case it wasn't in jest: I do not remember anyone ever claiming that the panel was a 1net panel. It was very clear that it emerged out of ICANN, and though some who are involved in 1net might have been consulted on it to a greater extent than others, that doesn't change this fundamental fact. The letter thus confuses issues, and by doing so, is unnecessarily antagonistic. More importantly, it therefore also gives the panel a weight that not all on this list (and on the IGC list, as far as I could see) feel it deserves - in fact, some are quite clear it does not, and the panel thus should not be sanctified in ways that have not been agreed on. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>There are also a few strange terms being used in the letter. As far as I know, the panel was never named the "CEO's High Level Panel". Also, if someone could guide me to a space where I can find out more about "multi-equal-stakeholderism" and its origins, I'd be grateful - first time I hear about this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>In its current form, I find it quite unacceptable to send this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My 2 paise,<br>Anja<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 29 November 2013 10:52, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 29/11/13 13:18, Adam Peake wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Hi Jeremy,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Thanks for this.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I have a concern. But first could you please explain who was involved in the selection process, who from which organizations, what criteria considered, who were the candidates considered. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>My experience of trying to co-coordinate CS contributions to IG topics for a couple of years during the Tunis phase of WSIS and later involvement with the first couple of years of IGF, this just doesn't sit well with me.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I will address this in the old thread (Re: [bestbits] Formation of a joint steering Committee - as received). This thread is not for process concerns, just for comments on the two names.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Dr Jeremy Malcolm<br>Senior Policy Officer<br>Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><br>Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East<br>Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia<br>Tel: <a href="tel:%2B60%203%207726%201599" target="_blank">+60 3 7726 1599</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Explore our new Resource Zone - the global consumer movement knowledge hub | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone" target="_blank">http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>@Consumers_Int | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org" target="_blank">www.consumersinternational.org</a> | <a href="http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/consumersinternational</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#999999'>Read our <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/email-confidentiality" target="_blank">email confidentiality notice</a>. 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