[bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval - URGENT

[Rafik Dammak]

Hi Gene,

thanks for the reply. I feel some aggressive tone there with kind of mix of
"shut-up" , "take it or leave it" and "if you don't like, you can quit", at
least that is my interpretation . For sure that is not the best way to
engage and convince people .

If I recall correctly the interim steering committee started this summer
(july) and that is before the brazil meeting announcement in October. I
guess that any interim steering committee has a first goal to propose a
long-term setting or process and moving from the transitional phase. we can
every time postpone that arguing we have new challenges and issues to
handle, but till when? it looks like technical debt in the software
development world.

There are concerns and I don't share all of them, but dismissing is not the
answer .Why? because for every decision, move , they will pop-up again over
again, why not to respond them now ?

I can live with Anriette proposal and find it acceptable while I found that
term is long and can be shorten.

I feel that people are in defensive mode and react to critics. this
discussion is not about individuals at all.

We as individuals involved in CS world in different manners and fora, we
tend to lecture others about accountability, transparency, sometimes in the
borderline of patronizing, shouldn't we live to those principles first?

I am not going further in this discussion since I think I expressed what I
have to say already and not willing to disturb the social peace.

Best,

Rafik

2013/12/2 genekimmelman at gmail.com <genekimmelman at gmail.com>

> To be more specific,  maybe those with lingering concerns need to decide
> whether they want to participate on the best bits platform or not. You
> decide.  If you think you can make it work better,  please offer ideas like
> Anriette, Michael and others have done. I believe we decided in Bali on an
> approach and I endorse Anriette's path toward formalizing this. And I
> suggest we wrap up this conversation for now and move on to substance.
>  Otherwise we delegitimze the broad support people worked towards over two
> days in Bali and make it more difficult to prepare for Brazil.
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/02/2013 8:22 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: genekimmelman at gmail.com
> Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>,Parminder <
> parminder at itforchange.net>,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval -
> URGENT
>
>
> every response with such reluctance and  such kind of arguments raise more
> questions than giving answers or appeasing those with concerns.
> as reminder BestBits initiative started in august 2012 when people were
> talking about WCIT and prepared first meeting IGF Baku, we will be in 2014
> in few weeks and we are still with temporary settings.
>
> Rafik
>
> 2013/12/2 genekimmelman at gmail.com <genekimmelman at gmail.com>
>
>> Internal accountability to a group with shared goals may differ from
>> societal/global policy goals that the group will agree to if all others
>> with power agree as well.  Best not to confuse these.  We should be
>> accountable but not create internal processes that make it impossible to
>> coordinate policy actions.
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>
>> Date: 12/02/2013 3:52 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Parminder Singh <parminder at itforchange.net>
>> Cc: "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> Best Bits" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval -
>> URGENT
>>
>>
>> +1!
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:23 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>
>> Civil society must always remain very vary of thinking of themselves as
>> somehow so morally superior that they are exempt from normal accountability
>> and transparency requirements
>>
>>
>>
>>
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