[bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval - URGENT

[parminder]

On Monday 02 December 2013 07:16 PM, genekimmelman at gmail.com wrote:
> To be more specific,  maybe those with lingering concerns need to 
> decide whether they want to participate on the best bits platform or 
> not. You decide. better,
Gene, you are being over generous with your invitations to leave... 
earlier somewhat subtly, and this time rather bluntly... And this I 
would humbly suggest is no way to manage a civil society group...


>  If you think you can make it work please offer ideas like Anriette, 
> Michael and others have done. I believe we decided in Bali on an 
> approach and I endorse Anriette's path toward formalizing this. And I 
> suggest we wrap up this conversation for now and move on to substance. 
>  Otherwise we delegitimze the broad support people worked towards over 
> two days in Bali and make it more difficult to prepare for Brazil.

Ideas were given at the f2f meeting, which I have further elaborated in 
an email yesterday... And I am not sure what approach we have agreed in 
Bali, Can you please explain. (Anja, says in a recent email and I quote 
"we had agreed in the session that there would be structured discussions 
on various things that remained difficult and unanswered on the mailing 
list (eg, the tension between being a platform and something more 
organised, and how to deal with this tension)". Doesnt look like an 
agreement...

As for 'transparency versus social/ economic justice' objectives that 
you speak of in response to Rafik's email -- I dont know how do you 
construct this as an either or.. It is entirely a strawman.. the 
organisations that are most keen and effective in their social / 
economic justice work that I have seen are also some of the best 
examples of transparency and accountability.... On the other hand I have 
witnesses such a dichotomy often claimed by third world dictators...

parminder
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/02/2013 8:22 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: genekimmelman at gmail.com
> Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>,Parminder 
> <parminder at itforchange.net>,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval - 
> URGENT
>
>
> every response with such reluctance and  such kind of arguments raise 
> more questions than giving answers or appeasing those with concerns.
> as reminder BestBits initiative started in august 2012 when people 
> were talking about WCIT and prepared first meeting IGF Baku, we will 
> be in 2014 in few weeks and we are still with temporary settings.
>
> Rafik
>
> 2013/12/2 genekimmelman at gmail.com <mailto:genekimmelman at gmail.com> 
> <genekimmelman at gmail.com <mailto:genekimmelman at gmail.com>>
>
>     Internal accountability to a group with shared goals may differ
>     from societal/global policy goals that the group will agree to if
>     all others with power agree as well.  Best not to confuse these.
>      We should be accountable but not create internal processes that
>     make it impossible to coordinate policy actions.
>
>
>
>     -------- Original message --------
>     From: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
>     <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>
>     Date: 12/02/2013 3:52 AM (GMT-05:00)
>     To: Parminder Singh <parminder at itforchange.net
>     <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
>     Cc: "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>     <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>> Best Bits"
>     <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>
>     Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your
>     approval - URGENT
>
>
>     +1!
>
>     On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:23 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
>     <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>
>>     Civil society must always remain very vary of thinking of
>>     themselves as somehow so morally superior that they are exempt
>>     from normal accountability and transparency requirements
>
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