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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 02 December 2013 07:16 PM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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To be more specific, maybe those with lingering concerns need to
decide whether they want to participate on the best bits platform
or not. You decide. better, <br>
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Gene, you are being over generous with your invitations to leave...
earlier somewhat subtly, and this time rather bluntly... And this I
would humbly suggest is no way to manage a civil society group...<br>
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type="cite"> If you think you can make it work please offer ideas
like Anriette, Michael and others have done. I believe we decided
in Bali on an approach and I endorse Anriette's path toward
formalizing this. And I suggest we wrap up this conversation for
now and move on to substance. Otherwise we delegitimze the broad
support people worked towards over two days in Bali and make it
more difficult to prepare for Brazil. <br>
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Ideas were given at the f2f meeting, which I have further elaborated
in an email yesterday... And I am not sure what approach we have
agreed in Bali, Can you please explain. (Anja, says in a recent
email and I quote "we had agreed in the session that there would be
structured discussions on various things that remained difficult and
unanswered on the mailing list (eg, the tension between being a
platform and something more organised, and how to deal with this
tension)". Doesnt look like an agreement...<br>
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As for 'transparency versus social/ economic justice' objectives
that you speak of in response to Rafik's email -- I dont know how do
you construct this as an either or.. It is entirely a strawman.. the
organisations that are most keen and effective in their social /
economic justice work that I have seen are also some of the best
examples of transparency and accountability.... On the other hand I
have witnesses such a dichotomy often claimed by third world
dictators...<br>
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parminder <br>
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From: Rafik Dammak <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"><rafik.dammak@gmail.com></a> <br>
Date: 12/02/2013 8:22 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a> <br>
Cc: William Drake <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch"><william.drake@uzh.ch></a>,Parminder
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Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your
approval - URGENT <br>
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<div dir="ltr">every response with such reluctance and such kind
of arguments raise more questions than giving answers or
appeasing those with concerns.
<div>as reminder BestBits initiative started in august 2012 when
people were talking about WCIT and prepared first meeting IGF
Baku, we will be in 2014 in few weeks and we are still with
temporary settings.</div>
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<div>Rafik<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/2 <a
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<div>Internal accountability to a group with shared
goals may differ from societal/global policy goals
that the group will agree to if all others with power
agree as well. Best not to confuse these. We should
be accountable but not create internal processes that
make it impossible to coordinate policy actions.
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Date: 12/02/2013 3:52 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: Parminder Singh <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Cc: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations
for your approval - URGENT <br>
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<div class="im">+1!
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<div>On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:23 AM, parminder <<a
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society must always remain very vary of
thinking of themselves as somehow so morally
superior that they are exempt from normal
accountability and transparency requirements</span></blockquote>
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