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<p class="">Hi Gene,</p>
<p class="">thanks for the reply. I feel some aggressive tone there with kind of mix of "shut-up" , "take it or leave it" and "if you don't like, you can quit", at least that is my interpretation . For sure that is not the best way to engage and convince people .</p>
<p class="">If I recall correctly the interim steering committee started this summer (july) and that is before the brazil meeting announcement in October. I guess that any interim steering committee has a first goal to propose a long-term setting or process and moving from the transitional phase. we can every time postpone that arguing we have new challenges and issues to handle, but till when? it looks like technical debt in the software development world.</p>
<p class="">There are concerns and I don't share all of them, but dismissing is not the answer .Why? because for every decision, move , they will pop-up again over again, why not to respond them now ?<br></p>
<p class="">I can live with Anriette proposal and find it acceptable while I found that term is long and can be shorten. <br></p>
<p class="">I feel that people are in defensive mode and react to critics. this discussion is not about individuals at all.<br></p>
<p class="">We as individuals involved in CS world in different manners and fora, we tend to lecture others about accountability, transparency, sometimes in the borderline of patronizing, shouldn't we live to those principles first?</p>
<p class="">I am not going further in this discussion since I think I expressed what I have to say already and not willing to disturb the social peace.</p>
<p class="">Best,<br></p>
<p class="">Rafik</p><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/2 <a href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com" target="_blank">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>To be more specific, maybe those with lingering concerns need to decide whether they want to participate on the best bits platform or not. You decide. If you think you can make it work better, please offer ideas like Anriette, Michael and others have done. I believe we decided in Bali on an approach and I endorse Anriette's path toward formalizing this. And I suggest we wrap up this conversation for now and move on to substance. Otherwise we delegitimze the broad support people worked towards over two days in Bali and make it more difficult to prepare for Brazil. <div>
<div class="h5"><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> <br>Date: 12/02/2013 8:22 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: <a href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com" target="_blank">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a> <br>Cc: William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>>,Parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>,<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a> <br>
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval - URGENT <br> <br><br><div dir="ltr">every response with such reluctance and such kind of arguments raise more questions than giving answers or appeasing those with concerns.<div>
as reminder BestBits initiative started in august 2012 when people were talking about WCIT and prepared first meeting IGF Baku, we will be in 2014 in few weeks and we are still with temporary settings.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Rafik<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/2 <a href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com" target="_blank">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com" target="_blank">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Internal accountability to a group with shared goals may differ from societal/global policy goals that the group will agree to if all others with power agree as well. Best not to confuse these. We should be accountable but not create internal processes that make it impossible to coordinate policy actions. <div>
<br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>> <br>Date: 12/02/2013 3:52 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>To: Parminder Singh <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> <br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>> Best Bits" <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>> <br>
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval - URGENT <br> <br><br></div><div>+1! <div><br><div><div>On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:23 AM, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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