[governance] Good examples of muiltistakeholder policy development at a national level?

Thu Oct 31 11:04:28 EDT 2019

I would second David's point but would suggest that these two types of
processes are both worth tracking independently.

I'll just add that I don't personally have any recent examples from
Canada of the latter ('in their respective roles') that were meaningful,
unless you count regulatory processes.

Best,
Tamir

On 2019-10-31 9:30 a.m., david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu wrote:
> With appreciation, Ian, for your bringing to the surface this
> important discussion.
>
> I believe those of us with a history in these matters, going back some
> years now, know pretty clearly one of the distinctions.
>
> "In respective roles" acknowledges that, for democracy to work,
> representatives elected by the people make the final policy choice.
> Where the deliberative process, leading up to that policy choice, must
> also necessarily bring energetic input from the people, in this case
> represented now by the notion of civil society. Only then, with active
> citizen participation, is there any prospect for real democracy.
>
> "On an equal footing" disrupts this careful process of deliberation,
> then choice by elected representatives. Indeed, leaves no actual process.
>
> And indeed, division directly on this matter led to the creation of
> key groups in the civil society sphere.
>
> Again, with appreciation.
>
> David
>
>> On Oct 30, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks everyone who responded so far - I was interested to learn that
>> we do have some reasonable examples of government co-operating with
>> civil society and private sector in policy development: at a national
>> level- and to learn that cgi.br <http://cgi.br/> is still alive.
>>
>> We can debate forever what terms like "multistakeholderism",
>> "enhanced co-operation", "respective roles" and "equal footing" mean,
>> but I remain convinced that the only path to effective cooperation on
>> the complex policy issues we face with the evolving internet will  be
>> all parties working co-operatively on policy evolution - both within
>> national borders, and also across these borders on a global basis.
>>
>> I should mention that my questions were prompted by attending
>> Australia's Netthing event (https://netthing.org.au/). My impression
>> after that was that the government here wanted to be seen to be
>> co-operating with other stakeholders, but either was doing this in a
>> tokenistic fashion or wasn't quite sure how to go about it. So some
>> good examples from elsewhere might be very useful!
>>
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Tamir" <tisrael at cippic.ca <mailto:tisrael at cippic.ca>>
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>> Sent: 31/10/2019 3:56:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Good examples of muiltistakeholder policy
>> development at a national level?
>>
>>> I can speak a bit to the Canadian IoT initiative.
>>>
>>> This process was largely guided/hosted by ISOC, CIRA (our ccTLD) and
>>> ISED, which is our industry/innovation department. The process went
>>> really well, and the government participants definitely engaged on
>>> equal footing.
>>>
>>> There were also government officials, civil society reps and
>>> business reps in the actual working groups that drove most of the
>>> work. There too, it was definitely an equal footing exchange.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tamir
>>>
>>> On 2019-10-30 12:51 p.m., Joly MacFie wrote:
>>>> The Canada IoT Security process, fostered by ISOC's NA Bureau,
>>>> appeared to be a success https://iotsecurity2018.ca/ 
>>>>
>>>> Here is video of Larry Strickling's introductory
>>>> comments https://livestream.com/internetsociety/12days08/
>>>>
>>>> Larry, incidentally, has left ISOC to work as Policy Director for
>>>> US Presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg
>>>>
>>>>  joly
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:42 PM Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>>> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     I am interested to know of examples of nation states that might
>>>>     have reasonable to good practices for involving civil society
>>>>     and the private sector in internet related policy development,
>>>>     along the lines perhaps of the ancient WSIS definition of "on
>>>>     an equal footing".
>>>>
>>>>     Is anyone doing this this other than in a token fashion? A few
>>>>     years ago we had a good example with Brazil, but a change of
>>>>     government changed that. What are our good examples now, or
>>>>     don't they exist?
>>>>
>>>>     Ian
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