[governance] Good examples of muiltistakeholder policy development at a national level?

Thu Oct 31 16:09:45 EDT 2019

Thanks to you too David, for stressing that important point.

We can tend to interpret these things differently, but still be in broad 
agreement. I certainly dont see multistakeholder consultations on policy 
development as usurping the roles of governments - and to me  "on an 
equal footing" is specifically important in ensuring that civil society 
inputs are given the same weight and attention as the inputs of the 
business sector in such areas: because so often money talks and dictates 
policy, while community interests are forgotten. Yes, governments have 
to make the final call, for better or for worse: but what interests me 
is the way other stakeholders are involved in the process leading up to 
the decision and how inclusive such processes are. I see far more 
tokenism than real involvement.

It's been great seeing the various examples and reports people have 
presented here, and its good to know we have some good examples.- thanks 
to all.

Ian

------ Original Message ------
From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu
To: "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
Sent: 1/11/2019 12:30:55 AM
Subject: Re: [governance] Good examples of muiltistakeholder policy 
development at a national level?

>With appreciation, Ian, for your bringing to the surface this important 
>discussion.
>
>I believe those of us with a history in these matters, going back some 
>years now, know pretty clearly one of the distinctions.
>
>"In respective roles" acknowledges that, for democracy to work, 
>representatives elected by the people make the final policy choice. 
>Where the deliberative process, leading up to that policy choice, must 
>also necessarily bring energetic input from the people, in this case 
>represented now by the notion of civil society. Only then, with active 
>citizen participation, is there any prospect for real democracy.
>
>"On an equal footing" disrupts this careful process of deliberation, 
>then choice by elected representatives. Indeed, leaves no actual 
>process.
>
>And indeed, division directly on this matter led to the creation of key 
>groups in the civil society sphere.
>
>Again, with appreciation.
>
>David
>
>>On Oct 30, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks everyone who responded so far - I was interested to learn that 
>>we do have some reasonable examples of government co-operating with 
>>civil society and private sector in policy development: at a national 
>>level- and to learn that cgi.br is still alive.
>>
>>We can debate forever what terms like "multistakeholderism", "enhanced 
>>co-operation", "respective roles" and "equal footing" mean, but I 
>>remain convinced that the only path to effective cooperation on the 
>>complex policy issues we face with the evolving internet will  be all 
>>parties working co-operatively on policy evolution - both within 
>>national borders, and also across these borders on a global basis.
>>
>>I should mention that my questions were prompted by attending 
>>Australia's Netthing event (https://netthing.org.au/). My impression 
>>after that was that the government here wanted to be seen to be 
>>co-operating with other stakeholders, but either was doing this in a 
>>tokenistic fashion or wasn't quite sure how to go about it. So some 
>>good examples from elsewhere might be very useful!
>>
>>
>>Ian Peter
>>
>>------ Original Message ------
>>From: "Tamir" <tisrael at cippic.ca>
>>To: governance at lists.riseup.net
>>Sent: 31/10/2019 3:56:02 AM
>>Subject: Re: [governance] Good examples of muiltistakeholder policy 
>>development at a national level?
>>
>>>I can speak a bit to the Canadian IoT initiative.
>>>
>>>This process was largely guided/hosted by ISOC, CIRA (our ccTLD) and 
>>>ISED, which is our industry/innovation department. The process went 
>>>really well, and the government participants definitely engaged on 
>>>equal footing.
>>>
>>>There were also government officials, civil society reps and business 
>>>reps in the actual working groups that drove most of the work. There 
>>>too, it was definitely an equal footing exchange.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Tamir
>>>
>>>On 2019-10-30 12:51 p.m., Joly MacFie wrote:
>>>>The Canada IoT Security process, fostered by ISOC's NA Bureau, 
>>>>appeared to be a success https://iotsecurity2018.ca/
>>>>
>>>>Here is video of Larry Strickling's introductory comments 
>>>>https://livestream.com/internetsociety/12days08/
>>>>
>>>>Larry, incidentally, has left ISOC to work as Policy Director for US 
>>>>Presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg
>>>>
>>>>  joly
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:42 PM Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> 
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>I am interested to know of examples of nation states that might 
>>>>>have reasonable to good practices for involving civil society and 
>>>>>the private sector in internet related policy development, along 
>>>>>the lines perhaps of the ancient WSIS definition of "on an equal 
>>>>>footing".
>>>>>
>>>>>Is anyone doing this this other than in a token fashion? A few 
>>>>>years ago we had a good example with Brazil, but a change of 
>>>>>government changed that. What are our good examples now, or don't 
>>>>>they exist?
>>>>>
>>>>>Ian
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