[governance] That i* organizations' statement re. "social responsibility" of technical design?

Mawaki Chango (via governance Mailing List) governance at lists.riseup.net
Sun Nov 10 21:52:04 EST 2019


Thanks Anriette and Alejandro for these summaries/ clarifications.

@Anriette: As a matter of fact, I ran into this other paper by same authors
when I was searching earlier this past week:
https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Human20Rights20and20Internet20Protocols-20Comparing20Processes20and20Principles.pdf

Not sure to what extent one is a version of, or evolved from, the other but
I'll soon find out on my next flight in a few hours :)
In any case, I am sure the question of the consideration of social values
in tech design (including protocols and standards) is much older... As the
titles of some academic journals may suggest. But as you perfectly
understood, I wanted to find out the extent to which the reflection started
long ago from the outside and in Joy & Avri's paper may now be shaping the
tech work.

@Alejandro: Good to know these ideas have pervaded the tech work to a point
it might be challenging to track. I suspect that might be the object of a
whole research project. Just noting that you wrote: "The IETF started its
work... in 2013 or so, which means that the discussions to attend to this
risk started way earlier." The fact is the NSA/ Snowden revelations also
occurred in 2013. That may be coincidence but not evidence of a process
starting way earlier. In any case, that's a point of detail, and again,
thank you for the complement of information.

Mawaki


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On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:51 AM Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan at unam.mx>
wrote:

> Mawaki,
>
> this work has extended too far now to account for every part of it. The
> IETF started its work on "perpass" (pervasive passive surveillance,
> recognized as a threat) in 2013 or so, which means that the discussions to
> attend to this risk started way earlier. From it spawned several lines of
> work, both in the IETF and further out. Some of them were the strong move
> to encryption with TLS, the push by many organizations to only accept Web
> traffic with HTTPS, and all the way to the ongoing process regarding DNS
> over HTTPS (DoH) which encrypts DNS traffic so that even ISPs can't see it.
> You may be aware that there is a significant quid pro quo in network
> management and human rights when this is done. Mozilla is the most visible
> party engaging in favor of DoH at this time.
>
> Lots more is and has been done both at the standards and in the
> operational level. This is but a quick summary trying to bridge what is
> alreay more than six years. Much of it can be traced to the ISOC initiative
> Anriette has already written about.
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
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> *Desde:* governance-request at lists.riseup.net [
> governance-request at lists.riseup.net] en nombre de Mawaki Chango [
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> *Enviado el:* domingo, 10 de noviembre de 2019 03:35
> *Hasta:* governance; internetpolicy at elists.isoc.org
> *Asunto:* Re: [governance] That i* organizations' statement re. "social
> responsibility" of technical design?
>
> The other side of this question I was seeking to find out about is the
> possible effects, if any, of this step (resolution?) taken by the i*
> organizations on standard and protocol development as well as technology
> design. Is anyone aware of any sequels or impact, first in the work of the
> technical community and possibly beyond? For instance, there are now RFCs
> addressing guidelines for privacy and even human rights considerations: not
> sure whether there had ever been any such language in RFC development and
> whether this would have been possible before the Montevideo Statement (or
> the NSA surveillance scandal.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mawaki
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 11:05 PM Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Anriette! It seems that my memory was just giving this Statement
>> more than it actually holds.
>>
>> Mawaki
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 10:48 PM Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Your memory is fine, Mawaki. It was the Montevideo Statement:
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-10-07-en
>>>
>>>
>>> https://ccdcoe.org/incyder-articles/montevideo-statement-and-global-government-surveillance-reform-responses-to-government-surveillance-activities/
>>>
>>> Anriette
>>>
>>> -----------------------------
>>>
>>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>>> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
>>> Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org
>>>
>>> On 2019/11/09 15:18, Mawaki Chango (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I seem to remember that in the aftermath of the NSA surveillance scandal
>>> (pre-NETmundial), the i* organizations got together and put out a statement
>>> that seemed to recognize for the first time that technology is not purely
>>> "agnostic" with regard to social values (e.g., rights that we think should
>>> be valued in the kind of society we want to live in) and that those values
>>> need to be kept in mind in the work of technical standards development and
>>> technology design.
>>>
>>> Is my memory being faulty here, or was there such a thing? Could anyone
>>> point me to that declaration? And if this ever was, what has become of it?
>>> As I was searching I came across the Montevideo statement but it doesn't
>>> appear to specifically address the issue above.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Mawaki
>>>
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