[governance] PIR Case/or the .org sell

[Corinne Cath (via governance Mailing List)]

Hi,

Imho framing this as an either/or agenda (either we’re “practical” about
outcomes or we care about who was in the room) is not the way to go.

I think we can appreciate the call to action by Milton (and others) and at
the same time raise some critical questions about how this deal came about.

We might learn some interesting things about the latter that will support
the former. Or, to invoke an Americanism I hear (all too) often in these
debates: we can chew gum and walk at the same time.

Kind regards,



-- 
Corinne Cath - Speth
Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute

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On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 15:36, Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:

> I may surprise many by saying that I find Milton’s analysis to be the most
> cogent and to-the-point thus far. Outcomes are what matter, not whose idea
> it was or who was in the room. Milton focuses on outcomes, and I agree that
> do Mainers are the only ones actually hardened here, and that’s fine with
> me.
>
> One very small correction though... PIR is not a wholly-owned subsidiary
> of ISOC (though I thought that as well up until I looked into it last
> week). Instead, they’re each independently incorporated as non-profits,
> with the ISOC board seating the PIR board. That is, the “membership” of PIR
> is the ISOC board.
>
>                 -Bill
>
>
> > On Nov 27, 2019, at 13:23, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu> wrote:
> >
> > A link to the blog post from Internet Governance Project (IGP) on the
> .ORG sale, which proposes come constructive changes:
> > https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/11/25/what-to-do-about-org/
> >
> > Dr. Milton L Mueller
> > Georgia Institute of Technology
> > School of Public Policy
> > Internet Governance Project
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message-----
> > From: governance-request at lists.riseup.net <
> governance-request at lists.riseup.net> On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 5:33 AM
> > To: Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net>
> > Cc: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com; Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>;
> governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> > Subject: Re: [governance] PIR Case/or the .org sell
> >
> > Dear Bill,
> >
> > Yes, I have heard the counter argument, which is that this sale will
> provide ISOC with additional and more-stable funding. Is there another one?
> I'm afraid I don't find it persuasive. ISOC is proposing to sell out the
> non-commercial community for its own private greed. A wealthy ISOC is in
> the interests of ISOC, and not the Internet community as a whole.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Ayden Férdeline
> >
> >
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> >> On Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:26, Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Ayden Férdeline ayden at ferdeline.com
> wrote:
> >>> The Register reports today that "both ISOC and ICANN are driving the
> sale forward as fast as possible in the background and refusing to consider
> counter-arguments until it’s done". I could not be more disappointed in
> ISOC.
> >>
> >> And are you considering counter-arguments? Because I haven’t heard any
> consideration of them here. Just one-sided monologue, which isn’t a way to
> develop a considered or informed position.
> >>
> >> -Bill
> >
> >
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Corinne Cath - Speth
Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute

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