[governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists

Fri Jul 26 17:46:52 EDT 2019

Ian is spot on.
What I read in the charter and took time to understand is that voting in a
co-co election makes someone a member of IGC, else someone is just mailing
list user.  *What isn't clear to me is whether IGC allows someone to be
both an IGC member and a member of another stakeholder group*.  I recall a
case where Wisdom Donkor expressed interest on this list (as an IGC member)
and was nominated as a CS rep (from IGC) but later was discovered to be
already a government rep.  That actually caused IGC to withdraw his
nomination.

I'm seeking this clarification based on the following questions:
When a person in multiple stakeholder groups is in MAG, for example, whose
interest is the person really representing?  How will the person make
submissions in the representative body?

Chris Prince Udochukwu *Njọkụ*, Ph.D.
Computer Communications Centre
University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001
@DrCPUNjoku

 We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things,

especially if they're not yielding optimum results.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:48 PM Remmy Nweke <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

> Thanks Ian
> I totally agree with your submission. The list be comprehensive after
> forthcoming election
> Regards
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 9:41 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com <
> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
>> I disagree with the concept of publishing lists on line of people who
>> join the mailing list. Apart from the GDPR and privacy issues, the
>> maintenance problems for such a list are not worth the effort. Apart from
>> that, most mailing list software platforms have ways to locate list users
>> so I don't see the point.
>>
>> Also - there is often confusion in these discussions between mailing list
>> users and IGC members. The mailing list contains many people who wont
>> identify as IGC members - people who are from government, private sector,
>> tech community etc who do not identify as civil society but are interested
>> to follow our discussions on internet governance issues.
>>
>> IGC members, on the other hand, are people who voted in the most recent
>> coordinator elections (or indicated a no preference vote) and who in this
>> process identified as civil society members. I think we also in this era
>> have to ask their permission as part of this voting process for their names
>> to be listed online as IGC members. (as pointed out by Bruna). That's a
>> discussion as the election process gets underway.
>>
>> Everyone on the mailing list for more than 2 months gets the opportunity
>> to vote if they wish to and consider themselves qualified, and thus be
>> listed as an IGC member. And if you do not vote, or indicate a no
>> preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. That's what the Charter
>> says.
>>
>> But as regards lists on line - we should not be listing mailing list
>> members. If we do intend to list IGC members, we have to ask their
>> permission: and we will only have a reasonable members list after the
>> elections.
>>
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> To: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>; "Sheetal Kumar" <
>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> Cc: "Arsène Tungali" <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>; "
>> governance at lists.riseup.net" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> Sent: 26/07/2019 2:43:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement
>>
>> Dear Bruna and Sheetal,
>> I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC
>> Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits users
>> who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly....
>>
>> Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are
>> uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to host
>> the BestBits Statements and endorsement record.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Imran Ahmed Shah
>>
>> On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar <
>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy to
>> work with you on this if that helps,
>>
>> Best
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to
>> see the IGC website back to work!
>> Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a
>> concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the
>> members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not!
>>
>> Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the
>> BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be
>> important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS
>> coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if
>> everyone agrees.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Bruna Santos
>>
>>
>> Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> a
>> écrit :
>>
>> Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns.
>>
>> >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they
>> can be added to the mailing list?
>>
>> Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as
>> alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that
>> the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated,
>> may be arranged through the List administrator.
>> Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the
>> User Registration Page is developed and uploaded.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Imran Ahmed Shah
>>
>> On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali <
>> arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online.
>>
>> Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before
>> they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co
>> were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep
>> it that way. It is said on this link
>> (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to
>> governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed.
>>
>> Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And
>> then have them approve the request before the member is added to the
>> mailing list?
>>
>> Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm
>> my thinking.
>>
>>
>> 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah <governance at lists.riseup.net
>> >:
>> > Dear IGC Members,
>> >
>> > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of
>> revival
>> > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of
>> > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past
>> coordinators) who
>> > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days.
>> Jeremy
>> > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed)
>> Developed
>> > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This
>> is a
>> > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken
>> links
>> > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be
>> > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is
>> > arranging offsite-backups.
>> > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo,
>> Avri
>> > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm,
>> > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for
>> the
>> > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran.
>> >
>> > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives,
>> > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org
>> has
>> > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this
>> Working
>> > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We
>> also
>> > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new
>> members
>> > and old ones. This is archived information.
>> >
>> > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published.
>> > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of
>> members,
>> > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been
>> > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the
>> > matters related to elections which we think should be done in
>> coordination
>> > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to
>> > help with organizing the elections.
>> >
>> > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments
>> and
>> > suggestions.
>> >
>> >
>> > on behalf of
>> > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website]
>> >
>> > Imran Ahmed Shah
>> > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society]
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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