[governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists

Thu Jul 25 17:33:49 EDT 2019

Thanks Ian
I totally agree with your submission. The list be comprehensive after
forthcoming election
Regards

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 9:41 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
wrote:

> I disagree with the concept of publishing lists on line of people who join
> the mailing list. Apart from the GDPR and privacy issues, the maintenance
> problems for such a list are not worth the effort. Apart from that, most
> mailing list software platforms have ways to locate list users so I don't
> see the point.
>
> Also - there is often confusion in these discussions between mailing list
> users and IGC members. The mailing list contains many people who wont
> identify as IGC members - people who are from government, private sector,
> tech community etc who do not identify as civil society but are interested
> to follow our discussions on internet governance issues.
>
> IGC members, on the other hand, are people who voted in the most recent
> coordinator elections (or indicated a no preference vote) and who in this
> process identified as civil society members. I think we also in this era
> have to ask their permission as part of this voting process for their names
> to be listed online as IGC members. (as pointed out by Bruna). That's a
> discussion as the election process gets underway.
>
> Everyone on the mailing list for more than 2 months gets the opportunity
> to vote if they wish to and consider themselves qualified, and thus be
> listed as an IGC member. And if you do not vote, or indicate a no
> preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. That's what the Charter
> says.
>
> But as regards lists on line - we should not be listing mailing list
> members. If we do intend to list IGC members, we have to ask their
> permission: and we will only have a reasonable members list after the
> elections.
>
>
> Ian
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> To: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>; "Sheetal Kumar" <
> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> Cc: "Arsène Tungali" <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>; "
> governance at lists.riseup.net" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> Sent: 26/07/2019 2:43:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement
>
> Dear Bruna and Sheetal,
> I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC
> Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits users
> who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly....
>
> Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are
> uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to host
> the BestBits Statements and endorsement record.
>
> Regards
>
> Imran Ahmed Shah
>
> On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar <
> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy to
> work with you on this if that helps,
>
> Best
>
> On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to
> see the IGC website back to work!
> Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a
> concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the
> members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not!
>
> Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the
> BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be
> important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS
> coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if
> everyone agrees.
>
> Best Regards,
> Bruna Santos
>
>
> Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> a
> écrit :
>
> Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns.
>
> >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they
> can be added to the mailing list?
>
> Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as
> alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that
> the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated,
> may be arranged through the List administrator.
> Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the
> User Registration Page is developed and uploaded.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Imran Ahmed Shah
>
> On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali <
> arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online.
>
> Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before
> they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co
> were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep
> it that way. It is said on this link
> (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to
> governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed.
>
> Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And
> then have them approve the request before the member is added to the
> mailing list?
>
> Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm
> my thinking.
>
>
> 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah <governance at lists.riseup.net
> >:
> > Dear IGC Members,
> >
> > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of
> revival
> > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of
> > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators)
> who
> > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days.
> Jeremy
> > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed
> > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This
> is a
> > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken
> links
> > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be
> > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is
> > arranging offsite-backups.
> > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo,
> Avri
> > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm,
> > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for
> the
> > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran.
> >
> > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives,
> > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org
> has
> > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working
> > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We
> also
> > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new
> members
> > and old ones. This is archived information.
> >
> > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published.
> > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of
> members,
> > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been
> > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the
> > matters related to elections which we think should be done in
> coordination
> > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to
> > help with organizing the elections.
> >
> > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments
> and
> > suggestions.
> >
> >
> > on behalf of
> > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website]
> >
> > Imran Ahmed Shah
> > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society]
> >
> >
>
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