[governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists

Thu Jul 25 16:46:42 EDT 2019

Sorry, one phrase in this was not clear

 > And if you do not vote, or indicate a no preference vote, you are no 
longer an IGC member.

What I meant to convey is that if you do not vote - and indicating a no 
preference vote is considered a vote for this purpose - you are no 
longer an IGC member.

Ian

------ Original Message ------
From: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
To: ias_pk at yahoo.com; "Bruna Martins dos Santos" 
<bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>; "Sheetal Kumar" <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
Cc: "Arsène Tungali" <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>; 
"governance at lists.riseup.net" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
Sent: 26/07/2019 6:41:03 AM
Subject: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists

>I disagree with the concept of publishing lists on line of people who 
>join the mailing list. Apart from the GDPR and privacy issues, the 
>maintenance problems for such a list are not worth the effort. Apart 
>from that, most mailing list software platforms have ways to locate 
>list users so I don't see the point.
>
>Also - there is often confusion in these discussions between mailing 
>list users and IGC members. The mailing list contains many people who 
>wont identify as IGC members - people who are from government, private 
>sector, tech community etc who do not identify as civil society but are 
>interested to follow our discussions on internet governance issues.
>
>IGC members, on the other hand, are people who voted in the most recent 
>coordinator elections (or indicated a no preference vote) and who in 
>this process identified as civil society members. I think we also in 
>this era have to ask their permission as part of this voting process 
>for their names to be listed online as IGC members. (as pointed out by 
>Bruna). That's a discussion as the election process gets underway.
>
>Everyone on the mailing list for more than 2 months gets the 
>opportunity to vote if they wish to and consider themselves qualified, 
>and thus be listed as an IGC member. And if you do not vote, or 
>indicate a no preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. That's 
>what the Charter says.
>
>But as regards lists on line - we should not be listing mailing list 
>members. If we do intend to list IGC members, we have to ask their 
>permission: and we will only have a reasonable members list after the 
>elections.
>
>
>Ian
>
>------ Original Message ------
>From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>To: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>; "Sheetal Kumar" 
><sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>Cc: "Arsène Tungali" <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>; 
>"governance at lists.riseup.net" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>Sent: 26/07/2019 2:43:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement
>
>>Dear Bruna and Sheetal,
>>I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC 
>>Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits 
>>users who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly....
>>
>>Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are 
>>uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to 
>>host the BestBits Statements and endorsement record.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Imran Ahmed Shah
>>
>>On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar 
>><sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy 
>>to work with you on this if that helps,
>>
>>Best
>>
>>On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos 
>><governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely 
>>>thrilling to see the IGC website back to work!
>>>Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have 
>>>a concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing 
>>>the members names - we should give people the option of being listed, 
>>>or not!
>>>
>>>Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of 
>>>the BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It 
>>>would be important to have a more consistent place with the history 
>>>of IGC and CS coordination and so on.. I can start collecting 
>>>material on this, if everyone agrees.
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>Bruna Santos
>>>
>>>
>>>Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> a 
>>>écrit :
>>>>Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns.
>>>>
>>>> >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before 
>>>>they can be added to the mailing list?
>>>>
>>>>Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as 
>>>>alternative to the previously referred page of registration. 
>>>>Assuming that the subscription request will go through approval. If 
>>>>it is not activated, may be arranged through the List administrator.
>>>>Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until 
>>>>the User Registration Page is developed and uploaded.
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards
>>>>
>>>>Imran Ahmed Shah
>>>>
>>>>On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali 
>>>><arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back 
>>>>online.
>>>>
>>>>Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before
>>>>they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co 
>>>>co
>>>>were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can 
>>>>keep
>>>>it that way. It is said on this link
>>>>(https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to
>>>>governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed.
>>>>
>>>>Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And
>>>>then have them approve the request before the member is added to the
>>>>mailing list?
>>>>
>>>>Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to 
>>>>confirm
>>>>my thinking.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah 
>>>><governance at lists.riseup.net>:
>>>> > Dear IGC Members,
>>>> >
>>>> > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of 
>>>>revival
>>>> > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made 
>>>>up of
>>>> > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past 
>>>>coordinators) who
>>>> > have been working on restoration of the website during last few 
>>>>days. Jeremy
>>>> > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) 
>>>>Developed
>>>> > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. 
>>>><https://web.archive.org.>This is a
>>>> > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. 
>>>>Broken links
>>>> > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has 
>>>>to be
>>>> > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani 
>>>>Tarvainen is
>>>> > arranging offsite-backups.
>>>> > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter 
>>>>Taiwo, Avri
>>>> > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy 
>>>>Malcolm,
>>>> > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads 
>>>>for the
>>>> > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran.
>>>> >
>>>> > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the 
>>>>archives,
>>>> > mailing list and others over the time. The website 
>>>>https://IGCaucus.org <https://IGCaucus.org>has
>>>> > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this 
>>>>Working
>>>> > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. 
>>>>We also
>>>> > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between 
>>>>new members
>>>> > and old ones. This is archived information.
>>>> >
>>>> > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet 
>>>>published.
>>>> > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of 
>>>>members,
>>>> > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have 
>>>>been
>>>> > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with 
>>>>the
>>>> > matters related to elections which we think should be done in 
>>>>coordination
>>>> > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would 
>>>>like to
>>>> > help with organizing the elections.
>>>> >
>>>> > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your 
>>>>comments and
>>>> > suggestions.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > on behalf of
>>>> > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website]
>>>> >
>>>> > Imran Ahmed Shah
>>>> > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet 
>>>>Society]
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>------------------------
>>>>**Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>>><http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>>>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>>>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
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>>>>
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>>>><
>>>>http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>>>>
>>>>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>>><https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF 
>>>>MAG
>>>><https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>
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>>>@boomartins
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