[governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing

Sun Aug 4 01:59:27 EDT 2019

Your point has been made and is noted. Recommend text. A lot of the current
draft version is new and is the result of collaboration. Suggest a new
draft text.

Am currently in LA and will be flying to Heathrow tomorrow at 5pm so will
be off grid unless there is is wifi on the plane which I am hoping there is.

Again, it is a Draft.

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 6:44 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
wrote:

> To be absolutely precise, Sala.
>
> I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use a US
> Government text, and then later suggest most of it be adopted as final
> copy, for a civil society statement.
>
> If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not
> plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and comment.
> But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, but I cannot
> support this as a basis for a civil society statement.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> To: "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> Cc: "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>; "David Allen" <
> David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu>; "Marie Georges" <ma.georges at orange.fr>;
> "Norbert Bollow" <nb at bollow.ch>; "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net
> >
> Sent: 4/08/2019 3:24:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing
>
> Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if you are
> still after further revisions, be precise in what specifically you want to
> replace.
>
> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, <
> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having
>> independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or accidentally
>> adopt such statements which fully mimic any government.
>>
>> Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the opening
>> paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are identical. WTF.....
>>
>> *"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online
>> activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple
>> times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption
>> and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang.*
>>
>> *The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued repression of
>> human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free speech.  We urge the
>> Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair
>> trial guarantees and the rule of law.  We call on China to immediately
>> release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and
>> legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue
>> restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who
>> assisted him."*
>> So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can echo
>> the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our statement must be
>> our statement, not a copy of that of any government..
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "farzaneh badii" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>> Cc: "David Allen" <david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu>; "Marie Georges" <
>> ma.georges at orange.fr>; "Norbert Bollow" <nb at bollow.ch>; "governance" <
>> governance at lists.riseup.net>; "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" <
>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing
>>
>> The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US  statement. We can't
>> just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued already. This needs to
>> be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a statement.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and
>>> suggested edits. Please review and comment.
>>>
>>> Revised Draft 4th August, 2019
>>>
>>> *Proposed Draft*
>>>
>>> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the
>>> sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison.  Huang has
>>> been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage
>>> in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his
>>> website, 64 Tianwang.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the
>>> foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to
>>> corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured
>>> as a strong contributor to society.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments
>>> related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law.  We call on China to
>>> immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family,
>>> medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible.  We also call on China
>>> to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and
>>> those who assisted him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights
>>> Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on
>>> China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and
>>> Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights
>>> and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the
>>> OHCHR website.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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