[governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing

[ian.peter at ianpeter.com]

To be absolutely precise, Sala.

I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use a US 
Government text, and then later suggest most of it be adopted as final 
copy, for a civil society statement.

If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not 
plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and 
comment. But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, but I 
cannot support this as a basis for a civil society statement.

Ian




------ Original Message ------
From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
To: "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
Cc: "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>; "David Allen" 
<David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu>; "Marie Georges" 
<ma.georges at orange.fr>; "Norbert Bollow" <nb at bollow.ch>; "governance" 
<governance at lists.riseup.net>
Sent: 4/08/2019 3:24:18 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing

>Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if you are 
>still after further revisions, be precise in what specifically you want 
>to replace.
>
>On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, 
><ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having 
>>independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or accidentally 
>>adopt such statements which fully mimic any government.
>>
>>Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the opening 
>>paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are identical. 
>>WTF.....
>>
>>"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online 
>>activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored 
>>multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in 
>>exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his 
>>website, 64 Tianwang.
>>
>>The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued repression 
>>of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free speech.  We 
>>urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments 
>>related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law.  We call on 
>>China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his 
>>family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also 
>>call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of 
>>his family and those who assisted him."
>>
>>So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can 
>>echo the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our 
>>statement must be our statement, not a copy of that of any 
>>government..
>>
>>Ian Peter
>>
>>
>>------ Original Message ------
>>From: "farzaneh badii" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>>Cc: "David Allen" <david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu>; "Marie Georges" 
>><ma.georges at orange.fr>; "Norbert Bollow" <nb at bollow.ch>; "governance" 
>><governance at lists.riseup.net>; "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" 
>><ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing
>>
>>>The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US  statement. We 
>>>can't just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued already. 
>>>This needs to be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a 
>>>statement.
>>>
>>>On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" 
>>><governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and 
>>>>suggested edits. Please review and comment.
>>>>
>>>>Revised Draft 4th August, 2019
>>>>
>>>>Proposed Draft
>>>>
>>>>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by 
>>>>the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison.  
>>>>Huang has been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders 
>>>>for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations 
>>>>in China through his website, 64 Tianwang.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to 
>>>>the foreground these good governance issues including but not 
>>>>limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi 
>>>>should be honoured as a strong contributor to society.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international 
>>>>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law.  
>>>>We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him 
>>>>access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as 
>>>>possible.  We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the 
>>>>freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights 
>>>>Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus 
>>>>calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet 
>>>>Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition 
>>>>on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance 
>>>>Forum and is available on the OHCHR website.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>Farzaneh
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