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body { font-family: Segoe UI; font-size: 12pt; }</style></head><body><div>To be absolutely precise, Sala.</div><div><br /></div><div>I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use a US Government text, and then later suggest most of it be adopted as final copy, for a civil society statement.</div><div><br /></div><div>If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and comment. But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, but I cannot support this as a basis for a civil society statement.</div><div><br /></div><div>Ian</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div> </div>
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<div>From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
<div>To: "Ian Peter" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></div>
<div>Cc: "farzaneh badii" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>; "David Allen" <<a href="mailto:David_Allen_AB63@post.harvard.edu">David_Allen_AB63@post.harvard.edu</a>>; "Marie Georges" <<a href="mailto:ma.georges@orange.fr">ma.georges@orange.fr</a>>; "Norbert Bollow" <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>>; "governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
<div>Sent: 4/08/2019 3:24:18 PM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing</div><div><br /></div>
<div id="xca7a44d686f14a1"><blockquote cite="CAJwbTiBFMSysH3bLW=h+kF7D5uE2iMEJV5HPd2-Krq+V5SmhYA@mail.gmail.com" type="cite" class="cite2">
<div dir="auto">Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if you are still after further revisions, be precise in what specifically you want to replace.</div><br /><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>, <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br /></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or accidentally adopt such statements which fully mimic any government.</div><div><br /></div><div>Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the opening paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are identical. WTF.....</div><div><br /></div><div><div>
<p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 26px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i>"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang.</i></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 26px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i>The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued repression of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him."</i></p></div></div>
<div>So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can echo the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our statement must be our statement, not a copy of that of any government..</div><div><br /></div><div>Ian Peter</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div>
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<div>From: "farzaneh badii" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
<div>To: <a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a></div>
<div>Cc: "David Allen" <<a href="mailto:david_allen_ab63@post.harvard.edu" rel="noreferrer">david_allen_ab63@post.harvard.edu</a>>; "Marie Georges" <<a href="mailto:ma.georges@orange.fr" rel="noreferrer">ma.georges@orange.fr</a>>; "Norbert Bollow" <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" rel="noreferrer">nb@bollow.ch</a>>; "governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>; "<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></div>
<div>Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing</div><div><br /></div>
<div id="m_6380594032633960975xd407e4a7b00244a"><blockquote cite="http://CAN1qJvAvZATNR-6=jN00p7=ArC-WhBh1XymoKT2wjiEUqDZGzQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite" class="m_6380594032633960975cite2">
<div><div dir="auto">The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. We can't just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued already. This needs to be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a statement. </div></div><div><br /><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br /></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div><br /></div><div>This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and suggested edits. Please review and comment.</div><div><br /></div><div>Revised Draft 4th August, 2019</div><div><br /></div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"><b>Proposed Draft</b><span></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif">The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned
by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison.
Huang has been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his
courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his
website, 64 Tianwang.<span></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as
a country by bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including
but not limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi
should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. <span></span></font></p></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif">We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international
commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call
on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his
family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call
on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and
those who assisted him.<span></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif">We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human
Rights Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on
China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and
Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and
Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR
website. </font><span></span></p>
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