[governance] [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps

Wed Apr 10 08:29:35 EDT 2019

Thanks for the reminder. I may be a bit late but my intention is to join you
De

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 08:11, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
> PM UTC (see the link below).
>
> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
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> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>>
>> As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on *Wednesday,
>> April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
>>
>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal.
>>
>> Meeting room details
>>
>> *Meeting URL*
>> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>
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>> 524 189 381
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>>
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>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
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>>
>> Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
>> improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone relevant.
>>
>> Suggested agenda
>> 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's
>> happened so far
>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Akinremi,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
>>> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
>>> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working,
>>> then I do not have concerns.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is not
>>>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
>>>> mailing-list. Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do
>>>> so as to be able to help.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
>>>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
>>>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
>>>>> Governance lists please?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
>>>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to
>>>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent
>>>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group should cease
>>>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
>>>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
>>>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
>>>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
>>>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
>>>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
>>>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
>>>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
>>>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
>>>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
>>>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
>>>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
>>>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
>>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
>>>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
>>>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
>>>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
>>>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
>>>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
>>>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
>>>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
>>>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
>>>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
>>>>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
>>>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide
>>>>>>>>>> next steps next week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
>>>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you
>>>>>>>>>>> can, by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next
>>>>>>>>>>> set of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
>>>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
>>>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ITU WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in us investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>
>>
>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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