[governance] [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps

Wed Apr 10 09:10:12 EDT 2019

I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
report on the meeting.

Regards,

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen

On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
> PM UTC (see the link below).
> 
> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> 
> Best
> Sheetal.
> 
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> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> 
> > Dear all
> >
> > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on *Wednesday,
> > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
> >
> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >
> > Best
> > Sheetal.
> >
> > Meeting room details
> >
> > *Meeting URL*
> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> >
> > Meeting ID
> > 524 189 381
> > Want to dial in from a phone?
> >
> > Dial one of the following numbers:
> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
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> >
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> >
> > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
> > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone relevant.
> >
> > Suggested agenda
> > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's happened
> > so far
> > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Dear Akinremi,
> >>
> >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
> >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
> >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net is working,
> >> then I do not have concerns.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >> twitter.com/shivaindia
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>
> >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org mailbox is not
> >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net mailing-list.
> >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to be
> >>> able to help.
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
> >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
> >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
> >>>> Governance lists please?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
> >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to
> >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent
> >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group should cease
> >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
> >>>>> to remain as it is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
> >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
> >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
> >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
> >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
> >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
> >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
> >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
> >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
> >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
> >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
> >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
> >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
> >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
> >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
> >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
> >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
> >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
> >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
> >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
> >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
> >>>>>>> forward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
> >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
> >>>>>>> set up a room.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
> >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
> >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
> >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
> >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
> >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
> >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
> >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
> >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
> >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
> >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
> >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
> >>>>>>>> call.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
> >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
> >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
> >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
> >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
> >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
> >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
> >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
> >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
> >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
> >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
> >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
> >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
> >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>
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> > --
> >
> >
> > *Sheetal Kumar*
> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F
> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|

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