[governance] Fwd: [Ext] Re: IGC Co-coordinators

Fri Jan 19 09:41:10 EST 2018

>>>With other words, the IGC is the real father of the IGF.

Hmm... Even if it is "a lista" it's not a "mother", but a "father" of the
internet...

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Deirdre Williams <
williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

> In light of  the message from Bestbits that I just forwarded, and for the
> benefit of more recent subscribers to the Internet Governance Caucus, I
> think it is useful to remember how the IGC began, so I am forwarding a
> message sent earlier this month by Wolfgang to the more limited group of
> "friends of IGC" (for want of a better term) who were trying to retrieve
> the IGC space.
> Things change and evolve. For this to happen in a fair and balanced manner
> ALL of the voices need to be equally and actively involved.
> Deirdre
>
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> From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@
> medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
> Date: 3 January 2018 at 14:08
> Subject: AW: [Ext] Re: IGC Co-coordinators
> To: Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org>, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>,
> Vittorio Bertola <vb at bertola.eu>
> Cc: Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>, Deirdre Williams <
> williams.deirdre at gmail.com>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>,
> "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>,
> Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette.hofmann at wzb.eu>, Jeremy Malcolm <
> jmalcolm at eff.org>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>, Bruna
> Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org>,
> Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu>, "Doria, Avri" <avri at acm.org>,
> Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>,
> Analia Aspis <analia.aspis at gmail.com>, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>,
> Parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>, YJ Park <yjpark21 at gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> the IGC was founded on February, 21, 2003, just after the end of workshop
> 3 (see attachment) .  Some ot the partiicpants went to the Cafeteria in the
> ILO Building. At this time CS did not have a "strcuture" as a WSIS
> stakeholder group. Just two days before February 21, 2003, on Wednesday
> February 19th, there was another meeting in the ITU building where Alain
> and Louise Lassounde pushed for the formation of a CS WSIS bureau. Alain
> and Louise had the mandate from the inergovernmental WSIS bureau to
> organize CS participation in the WSIS process. For the formation of the CS
> breau they used a structure proposed by a working paper from an UN
> subcommittee which worked together with the Cardozo-Commission. In this
> paper there was a list with about a dozen groups which could be considered
> as "representatives of CS", which inlcuded trade unions, academic and
> philantropic institutions, local authorities, human rights groups and
> others. I became a member of the bureau on behalf of the "philantrpoic and
> academic institutions". At this moment, there was no CS plenary and no CS
> Content & Themes Group. Some working groups on media, education, human
> rights, gender existed. But there was nothing for IG. One of the main roles
> of the CS bureau  was to organize sponsorship for CS participation in WSIS
> meetings. It was clear that the bureau, chaired by Renata Bloem from CONGO,
> had no role to play with rergard to substance. Substance was in the hands
> of the CS Plenary and CS C&T (with its WGs).
>
> Back to Friday, February 21st, 2003. I reported back from the first Bureau
> meeting and proposed to establish an own unit for IG (in the light of the
> discussion of the WS III). There was generally support. YJ introduced some
> additional ideas and we agreed to form not a CS IG working group but CS "IG
> Caucus". The inspiration for the name came from the US Congress which
> founded in 1996 a "Congressional Internet Caucus"   (
> http://www.netcaucus.org/about/  )
>
> YJ and I (gender and geographical balance) were electd as co-chairs. Hans,
> Karen, Bill and others started immediately with drafting a first workplan
> and with the creation on an e-mail list (hosted by CPSR). With other words,
> Adams memory is correct. It needed less than four weeks to get started. The
> first real activities took place during the Paris Intersessional where we
> were well positioned and made statemens in Plenary sessions inter alia
> rejecting the idea of an intergovernmental Internet treaty but proposing a
> “Global Information Society Observation Council” which could serve as a
> meeting point for improved coordination, consultation and communication on
> ICT issues".  This was the starting point for a discussion which - via the
> push of civil society members in the WGIG (Bill, Karen, Avri, Peng Hwa,
> Carlos etc.) in 2004 and 2005 finally ended in the creation of the IGF.
> With other words, the IGC is the real father of the IGF.
>
> In Geneva in December 2003, YJ and I handed to co-chairmanship over to
> Jeanette and Adam.
>
> best wishes
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
>
> The first email to governance at lists.cpsr.org I can find was sent on Mon,
> 31 Mar 2003 12:17:09 -0800, from yjpark at myepark.com (thanks YJ :-))
>
> Hans was the connection to CPSR which hosted the first list, on 3/19/03 he
> said he'd set up a list.  Karen Banks sent an email on 3/29/03 saying we
> were just about to announce the creation of a new [IG] list.  31 March
> looks like the probable start.  Hans may have records, and I think it still
> at the same email address.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> From: Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 16:57
> To: Vittorio Bertola <vb at bertola.eu>
> Cc: Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org>, Arsène Tungali <
> arsenebaguma at gmail.com>, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>,
> Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>, Jeanette Hofmann <
> jeanette.hofmann at wzb.eu>, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org>, Akinremi
> Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org>, Jeanette Hofmann <
> jeanette at wzb.eu>, "Doria, Avri" <avri at acm.org>, Anriette Esterhuysen <
> anriette at apc.org>, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>, Analia Aspis <
> analia.aspis at gmail.com>, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>, Parminder <
> parminder at itforchange.net>, "wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medien
> komm.uni-halle.de" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>, YJ
> Park <yjpark21 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: IGC Co-coordinators
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2018 14:37, "Vittorio Bertola" <vb at bertola.eu<mailto:vb at berto
> la.eu>> wrote:
>
> Il 2018-01-03 14:42 Adam Peake ha scritto:
> Hi Arsene,
>
> Thanks for the email.  Could you confirm if the mail archive has been lost
> or not?
>
> The archive is an important record of discussions about Internet
> governance, WSIS (WGIG and all that).  Please let us know if the archive
> has been saved.
>
> I don't remember you reaching out, just a few emails to the list in
> March/April last year about migrating the list.
>
> I don't remember anything either, but in any case: if the server-side
> email archive has been lost, it could still be possible to rebuild it from
> people's archives. I, for example, keep in my mailbox all the email I
> received since September 2003, so I could quite easily share the
> (hopefully) complete list archive since that date (it's ~75.000 messages in
> Maildir format, 1.7GB uncompressed - I stopped reading it long ago, but
> unless I was silently unsubscribed I should still have received
> everything). I think that a decently skilled sysadmin could find a way to
> reinject those messages in the archives of whatever new listserver is
> installed. Maybe there are other people who have even older message sets
> (or I could have some older backups somewhere - when did the list actually
> start to function?).
>
> I believe the Caucus (thus, the IGC list) was created in 2003... unless it
> was in the late 2002.
> The first PrepComm was of the Africa region, somewhere in the second
> trimester of 2002, if my memory is correct. Then we had another regional
> one (Asia?) later that year. The thematic PrepComms got in full swing in
> 2003 (again possibly starting late 2002, speaking from the top of my head
> here) and from my recollection  the Caucus was formed in the aftermath of
> the one that took place in Paris (UNESCO) back then.
>
> Adam or others could provide more references here or correct me.
>
> Mawaki
>
> Ciao
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