<div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">>>>With other words, the IGC is the real father of the IGF.</span><br><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">Hmm... Even if it is "a lista" it's not a "mother", but a "father" of the internet...</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Deirdre Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote">In light of the message from Bestbits that I just forwarded, and for the benefit of more recent subscribers to the Internet Governance Caucus, I think it is useful to remember how the IGC began, so I am forwarding a message sent earlier this month by Wolfgang to the more limited group of "friends of IGC" (for want of a better term) who were trying to retrieve the IGC space.</div><div class="gmail_quote">Things change and evolve. For this to happen in a fair and balanced manner ALL of the voices need to be equally and actively involved.</div><div class="gmail_quote">Deirdre</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@<wbr>medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>></span><br>Date: 3 January 2018 at 14:08<br>Subject: AW: [Ext] Re: IGC Co-coordinators<br>To: Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:adam.peake@icann.org" target="_blank">adam.peake@icann.org</a>>, Mawaki Chango <<a href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com" target="_blank">kichango@gmail.com</a>>, Vittorio Bertola <<a href="mailto:vb@bertola.eu" target="_blank">vb@bertola.eu</a>><br>Cc: Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>, Deirdre Williams <<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>>, Ian Peter <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@<wbr>gmail.com</a>>, Jeanette Hofmann <<a href="mailto:jeanette.hofmann@wzb.eu" target="_blank">jeanette.hofmann@wzb.eu</a>>, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <<a href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com" target="_blank">compsoftnet@gmail.com</a>>, Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>, Izumi AIZU <<a href="mailto:iza@anr.org" target="_blank">iza@anr.org</a>>, Jeanette Hofmann <<a href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu" target="_blank">jeanette@wzb.eu</a>>, "Doria, Avri" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>, Anriette Esterhuysen <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>>, Ginger Paque <<a href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpaque@gmail.com</a>>, Analia Aspis <<a href="mailto:analia.aspis@gmail.com" target="_blank">analia.aspis@gmail.com</a>>, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>>, Parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>, YJ Park <<a href="mailto:yjpark21@gmail.com" target="_blank">yjpark21@gmail.com</a>><br><br><br>Hi,<br>
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the IGC was founded on February, 21, 2003, just after the end of workshop 3 (see attachment) . Some ot the partiicpants went to the Cafeteria in the ILO Building. At this time CS did not have a "strcuture" as a WSIS stakeholder group. Just two days before February 21, 2003, on Wednesday February 19th, there was another meeting in the ITU building where Alain and Louise Lassounde pushed for the formation of a CS WSIS bureau. Alain and Louise had the mandate from the inergovernmental WSIS bureau to organize CS participation in the WSIS process. For the formation of the CS breau they used a structure proposed by a working paper from an UN subcommittee which worked together with the Cardozo-Commission. In this paper there was a list with about a dozen groups which could be considered as "representatives of CS", which inlcuded trade unions, academic and philantropic institutions, local authorities, human rights groups and others. I became a member of the bureau on behalf of the "philantrpoic and academic institutions". At this moment, there was no CS plenary and no CS Content & Themes Group. Some working groups on media, education, human rights, gender existed. But there was nothing for IG. One of the main roles of the CS bureau was to organize sponsorship for CS participation in WSIS meetings. It was clear that the bureau, chaired by Renata Bloem from CONGO, had no role to play with rergard to substance. Substance was in the hands of the CS Plenary and CS C&T (with its WGs).<br>
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Back to Friday, February 21st, 2003. I reported back from the first Bureau meeting and proposed to establish an own unit for IG (in the light of the discussion of the WS III). There was generally support. YJ introduced some additional ideas and we agreed to form not a CS IG working group but CS "IG Caucus". The inspiration for the name came from the US Congress which founded in 1996 a "Congressional Internet Caucus" (<a href="http://www.netcaucus.org/about/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.netcaucus.org/abo<wbr>ut/</a> )<br>
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YJ and I (gender and geographical balance) were electd as co-chairs. Hans, Karen, Bill and others started immediately with drafting a first workplan and with the creation on an e-mail list (hosted by CPSR). With other words, Adams memory is correct. It needed less than four weeks to get started. The first real activities took place during the Paris Intersessional where we were well positioned and made statemens in Plenary sessions inter alia rejecting the idea of an intergovernmental Internet treaty but proposing a “Global Information Society Observation Council” which could serve as a meeting point for improved coordination, consultation and communication on ICT issues". This was the starting point for a discussion which - via the push of civil society members in the WGIG (Bill, Karen, Avri, Peng Hwa, Carlos etc.) in 2004 and 2005 finally ended in the creation of the IGF. With other words, the IGC is the real father of the IGF.<br>
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In Geneva in December 2003, YJ and I handed to co-chairmanship over to Jeanette and Adam.<br>
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best wishes<br>
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Wolfgang<br>
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The first email to <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a> I can find was sent on Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:17:09 -0800, from <a href="mailto:yjpark@myepark.com" target="_blank">yjpark@myepark.com</a> (thanks YJ :-))<br>
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Hans was the connection to CPSR which hosted the first list, on 3/19/03 he said he'd set up a list. Karen Banks sent an email on 3/29/03 saying we were just about to announce the creation of a new [IG] list. 31 March looks like the probable start. Hans may have records, and I think it still at the same email address.<br>
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Hope this helps,<br>
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Adam<br>
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From: Mawaki Chango <<a href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com" target="_blank">kichango@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 16:57<br>
To: Vittorio Bertola <<a href="mailto:vb@bertola.eu" target="_blank">vb@bertola.eu</a>><br>
Cc: Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:adam.peake@icann.org" target="_blank">adam.peake@icann.org</a>>, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>, Deirdre Williams <<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>>, Ian Peter <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gm<wbr>ail.com</a>>, Jeanette Hofmann <<a href="mailto:jeanette.hofmann@wzb.eu" target="_blank">jeanette.hofmann@wzb.eu</a>>, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <<a href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com" target="_blank">compsoftnet@gmail.com</a>>, Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>, Izumi AIZU <<a href="mailto:iza@anr.org" target="_blank">iza@anr.org</a>>, Jeanette Hofmann <<a href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu" target="_blank">jeanette@wzb.eu</a>>, "Doria, Avri" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>, Anriette Esterhuysen <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>>, Ginger Paque <<a href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpaque@gmail.com</a>>, Analia Aspis <<a href="mailto:analia.aspis@gmail.com" target="_blank">analia.aspis@gmail.com</a>>, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>>, Parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>, "<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medien<wbr>komm.uni-halle.de</a>" <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medien<wbr>komm.uni-halle.de</a>>, YJ Park <<a href="mailto:yjpark21@gmail.com" target="_blank">yjpark21@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: IGC Co-coordinators<br>
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</span><span>On Jan 3, 2018 14:37, "Vittorio Bertola" <<a href="mailto:vb@bertola.eu" target="_blank">vb@bertola.eu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:vb@bertola.eu" target="_blank">vb@berto<wbr>la.eu</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Il 2018-01-03 14:42 Adam Peake ha scritto:<br>
Hi Arsene,<br>
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Thanks for the email. Could you confirm if the mail archive has been lost or not?<br>
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The archive is an important record of discussions about Internet governance, WSIS (WGIG and all that). Please let us know if the archive has been saved.<br>
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I don't remember you reaching out, just a few emails to the list in March/April last year about migrating the list.<br>
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I don't remember anything either, but in any case: if the server-side email archive has been lost, it could still be possible to rebuild it from people's archives. I, for example, keep in my mailbox all the email I received since September 2003, so I could quite easily share the (hopefully) complete list archive since that date (it's ~75.000 messages in Maildir format, 1.7GB uncompressed - I stopped reading it long ago, but unless I was silently unsubscribed I should still have received everything). I think that a decently skilled sysadmin could find a way to reinject those messages in the archives of whatever new listserver is installed. Maybe there are other people who have even older message sets (or I could have some older backups somewhere - when did the list actually start to function?).<br>
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I believe the Caucus (thus, the IGC list) was created in 2003... unless it was in the late 2002.<br>
The first PrepComm was of the Africa region, somewhere in the second trimester of 2002, if my memory is correct. Then we had another regional one (Asia?) later that year. The thematic PrepComms got in full swing in 2003 (again possibly starting late 2002, speaking from the top of my head here) and from my recollection the Caucus was formed in the aftermath of the one that took place in Paris (UNESCO) back then.<br>
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Adam or others could provide more references here or correct me.<br>
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Mawaki<br>
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Ciao<br>
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