[governance] [Internet Policy] RootsAction and UN prohibits nuclear weapons

[parminder]

Social Credit System is currently perhaps the most dangerous public
program anywhere! It is the true definition of a totalitarian state when
the state declares among its objective to "build an harmonious society",
"carry froward traditional virtues" and "strengthen social sincerity" --
whatever all these terms mean (the ambiguity often being the whole
idea).....

The Economist carried this article on "China invents the digital
totalitarian state
<https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21711902-worrying-implications-its-social-credit-project-china-invents-digital-totalitarian>"
a few months back which gives a good view of what is happening.

parminder


On Thursday 13 July 2017 04:29 PM, Brandt Dainow wrote:
>
> +1 to Vint. 
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> Let’s add some further aims:
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> 1)      Make everyone acts honestly all the time.
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> 2)      Ensure everyone gets treated fairly all the time.
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> 3)      Ensure all humans act in accordance with their society’s
> highest ideals.
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> This may look like it has nothing to do with the internet, but that’s
> not the case.  Systems to enforce this are under active development
> and government sponsorship.
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>
> Comprehensive monitoring of human activity, in the home and in public,
> combined with facial recognition to identify people, linguistic and
> behavioural analysis and some clever human supervision, can monitor
> human activity for honesty and conformance with social ideals.  People
> can be encouraged to act accordingly by denying access to basic social
> services like medical treatment and education for offenders, or making
> access to some services dependant on people having built a positive
> “social history”.  The same rules can be applied to businesses as well.
>
>  
>
> This program is in active development in China.  It’s a major, public,
> government program.  It is called the Social Credit System.  Here’s a
> quote from the planning doc (link below):
>
> State Council Notice concerning Issuance of the Planning Outline for
> the Construction of a Social Credit System (2014-2020)
>
> Planning Outline for the Construction of a Social Credit System
> (2014-2020)
>
> A social credit system is an important component part of the Socialist
> market economy system and the social governance system. It is founded
> on laws, regulations, standards and charters, it is based on a
> complete network covering the credit records of members of society and
> credit infrastructure, it is supported by the lawful application of
> credit information and a credit services system, its inherent
> requirements are establishing the idea of an sincerity culture, and
> carrying forward sincerity and traditional virtues, it uses
> encouragement to keep trust and constraints against breaking trust as
> incentive mechanisms, and its objective is raising the honest
> mentality and credit levels of the entire society.
>
> Accelerating the construction of a social credit system is an
> important basis for comprehensively implementing the scientific
> development view and building a harmonious Socialist society, it is an
> important method to perfect the Socialist market economy system,
> accelerating and innovating social governance, and it has an important
> significance for strengthening the sincerity consciousness of the
> members of society, forging a desirable credit environment, raising
> the overall competitiveness of the country and stimulating the
> development of society and the progress of civilization.
>
> On the basis of the general requirement to “strengthen sincerity in
> government affairs, commercial sincerity, social sincerity and
> judicial credibility construction” as put forward by the 18th Party
> Congress, “establish and complete a social credit system, commend
> sincerity and punish insincerity” as put forward by the 3rd Plenum of
> the 18th Party Congress, “establish and complete a social credit
> system” as put forward in the “CCP Central Committee and State Council
> Opinions concerning Strengthening and Innovating Social Management”,
> as well as “accelerate the construction of a social credit system” as
> put forward in the “12th Five-Year Planning Outline of the Economic
> and Social Development of the People’s Republic of China” (hereafter
> simply named the “12th Five-Year Plan”), this Planning outline has
> been formulated. The planning period is 2014-2020.
>
> https://chinacopyrightandmedia.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/planning-outline-for-the-construction-of-a-social-credit-system-2014-2020/
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> Regards,
>
> Brandt Dainow
>
> brandt.dainow at gmail.com <mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com>
>
>  
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
>
> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
>
>  
>
> *From:*InternetPolicy [mailto:internetpolicy-bounces at elists.isoc.org]
> *On Behalf Of *vinton cerf
> *Sent:* 12 July 2017 22:03
> *To:* willi uebelherr
> *Cc:* ISOC Internet Policy; IGF gov
> *Subject:* Re: [Internet Policy] RootsAction and UN prohibits nuclear
> weapons
>
>  
>
> from Willi:
>
>  
>
> My personal proposals goes more behind. We have two task on this planet:
> 1) dissolve all military and paramilitary structures and her
> infrastructures
> 2) reforestate all dry regions on our planet.
>
>  
>
> from Vint:
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>  
>
> 1. non-starter
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> 2. might not work in dry regions
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> v
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> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:27 PM, willi uebelherr
> <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net <mailto:willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>> wrote:
>
> Am 11/7/2017 um 17:05 schrieb Fred Baker:
>
> On Jul 11, 2017, at 12:47 PM, willi uebelherr
> <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net <mailto:willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>> wrote:
>
> 2) The United Nations Prohibits Nuclear Weapons
>
>
> As you note, nuclear weapons are a fundamental issue. That said, I'm
> not sure we know for sure who has them, and the countries that we know
> or believe have them aren't likely to abandon them without a mutual
> and verifiable (by them) stand-down by countries they don't trust.
> Think India/Pakistan, Israel/Iran, US/China/North Korea/Russia, and so on.
>
> What do you think the probability is of North Korea abandoning ICBM
> capabilities to strike the US? If you think it is greater than zero,
> say why?
>
>
> Dear Fred,
>
> yes, you wrote about balance. I answer, never North Korea have the
> interest to attack or destroy USA. Her interest is her self defense.
> And North Korea is the only state with nuclear weapons that sign this
> declaration.
>
> The same for me in the balance is with Russia and China.
>
> A big difference we see with USA and Israel. They think about to use
> her nuclear weapons for a first-attack.
>
> But here i speak more about, that we, the people of this terrible
> world, don't have any interest for military violence against people in
> other regions. We here have the interst for a world in peace and free
> cooperation.
>
> Therefore, i say, we can act together with all other people against
> nuclear weapons on this planet.
>
> My personal proposals goes more behind. We have two task on this planet:
> 1) dissolve all military and paramilitary structures and her
> infrastructures
> 2) reforestate all dry regions on our planet.
>
> For this we need our cooperation. And for this we need our free
> telecommunication. I hope, in the form of an InterNet. Therefore, all
> initiatives on this way, every activity, have a high value.
>
>
>
> many greetings, willi
> Asuncion, Paraguay
>
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