[governance] [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world

Mon Jul 10 03:07:06 EDT 2017

Dear one all ,

 I am not spamming at all. If you think so, i wont need to share your ground
 realities. I know how ISOC ,ICANN works from they day they where
incorporated
 and also what is my teams and great innovators , human rights activists,
 multi stake holders contributions to internet , internet innovations ,
polices
 world wide. during one of 1st ICANN Meetings ,ISOC meetings early 90;s we
 proposed multi stake holders security privacy of un - educated users ,
villagers
 using mobiles etc is important and also on eco sytem around us and mass
surveillance
 IP theft etc. Open sources, open sharing of experiences ground realities
important facts i
 important and how poor un - educated youth , middle class is suffering
where technologies left them in baffled state.

 Once again apologizing above the poverty . non middle class person's who
got Hurt-ed thinking over views are spam and so many AD's coming to us ,
cyber attacks , fake news , social media is also spam which we are
effecting and Why EU asked Google to pay fine and and all banks , companies
got cyber attacks is also SPAM and ordinary e- mail users Internet users
who don't know what is security etc must be thought as spammed.

Open internet freedom is lost any privacy is lost. where we wont share
further in policy groups of other countries but sharing with in developed
countries and multi stake holders needs at grass root levels and people who
are looking for jobs food energy education and
their security etc with peace and prosperity locally. Make In AMERICA .
MADE IN INDIA etc

Good day to you all
kanumuri s raju

" We Connect human contacts "
" We  make net to think and act "
" Survival is h-commerce -human  commerce or human knowledge commerce based
on Bartering of knowledge Globally with out money as instrument "
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On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch> wrote:

> I agree with Brandt when he says that there is a tendency in ISOC to align
> with “western”  political opinion from the centrist to neoliberal range,
> with insufficient weight given to alternatives that focus more on equity
> and less on efficiency. In my view (modifying slightly what Brandt says),
> those alternatives genuinely represent the opinions of hundreds of millions
> of people, especially in poorer parts of the world, but not exclusively,
> Brexit and the election of US President Trump being examples in developed
> countries.
>
>
>
> In my view (again modifying slightly what Brandt says), the educated
> citizens of developed countries are a global elite. Many people in
> developed countries are unaware of how much of their comfortable existence
> is dependent on a neo-liberal  global trade system that is stacked in
> favour of big businesses based in developed countries and that exploits
> people by extracting resources and not paying their full value, thus
> passing the financial benefit mostly to the owners of companies in the
> developed world  (and to a lesser extent to consumers around the world).
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* InternetPolicy [mailto:internetpolicy-bounces at elists.isoc.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Brandt Dainow
> *Sent:* Friday, July 7, 2017 13:58
> *To:* 'James Gannon'
> *Cc:* 'IGF gov'; 'Best Bits'; 'APC list'; 'ISOC Internet Policy'; 'IUF
> list'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we
> don't), they could destroy the world
>
>
>
> Hi James,
>
> With the greatest respect, I don’t think this is spamming.  Willi may not
> be the best writer of English, but it’s not his first language and we
> shouldn’t dismiss someone’s ideas just because they can’t express
> themselves as we would like, especially in an international forum.  His
> ideas may be very left-wing by European standards, but they’re fairly
> mainstream within many communities in Latin America.  He thus represents a
> genuine political view, and one which actually dominates the governments of
> some Latin American countries since the rise of Morales, which sees
> western, especially US, businesses as imperialist enterprises and regards
> capitalism, even Chinese capitalism, as nothing but an evil force aimed at
> reducing most people to a state of slavery.  This may sound extreme, but
> when you look at the living conditions of many poor people in Latin
> America, their domination by corrupt politicians and local leaders, often
> descendants of conquistador families who have dominated their communities
> for centuries, you see that the reality of their lives is not much more
> than serfdom.  The same is true in India and other countries.
>
>
>
> There is a tendency of ISOC policy to become dominated by western
> political opinion from the centrist to neoliberal range, with insufficient
> weight given to Marxist and other views, which genuinely represent the
> opinions of hundreds of millions of people, especially in poorer parts of
> the world.  I am not advocating Marxism over capitalism, but I think Willi
> does us a service by continually representing this view.  To be an educated
> westerner is to be a member of the global elite.  The average westerner is
> unaware of how much of their comfortable existence is dependant on a
> western-dominated global trade system based on exploitation of the poor in
> other parts of the world by extracting resources corruptly and not paying
> their full value, thus passing the financial benefit to the western
> consumer in unjustly cheap consumer pricing.
>
>
>
> You may not like Willi’s opinions, you may even find them silly, and
> sometimes the wording means understanding requires some effort, but that
> doesn’t make it spam.  I may not always agree with Willi, and I often think
> him too extreme, but I think he provides a valuable contribution to this
> forum, and they are typically relevant to ISOC policy.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Brandt Dainow
>
> brandt.dainow at gmail.com
>
>
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
>
> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Brandt Dainow
>
> brandt.dainow at gmail.com
>
>
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
>
> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
>
>
>
> *From:* InternetPolicy [mailto:internetpolicy-bounces at elists.isoc.org
> <internetpolicy-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] *On Behalf Of *James Gannon
> *Sent:* 07 July 2017 10:27
> *To:* srajukanumuri; willi uebelherr
> *Cc:* Best Bits; ISOC Internet Policy; IUF list; IGF gov; APC list
> *Subject:* Re: [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we
> don't), they could destroy the world
>
>
>
> Please stop spamming this list. You have been asked multiple times over
> the last few months.
>
>
>
> -James
>
>
>
> *From:* InternetPolicy [mailto:internetpolicy-bounces at elists.isoc.org
> <internetpolicy-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] *On Behalf Of *srajukanumuri
> *Sent:* 07 July 2017 09:24
> *To:* willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
> *Cc:* ISOC Internet Policy <internetpolicy at elists.isoc.org>; IUF list <
> iuf at lists.riseup.net>; IGF gov <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; Best Bits
> <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>; APC list <apc.forum at lists.apc.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we
> don't), they could destroy the world
>
>
>
> Dear one and all .
>
>  Last seven years globally it really disturbing with wars for resources ,
> oil and gas ,
>
>  crony capitalists looting banks ( global banking bankruptcy ) , Knowledge
> theft's
>
>  ( china etc ) , Drugs and lastly all governments trying to control their
> own citizens
>
>  and social media getting used to reach other countries falls ( great
> march in Egypt)
>
>  and making ICT as cyber war to kill economies with fake news with
> controlled
>
>  media ,Internet, news 's companies which lead to all developing countries
> under
>
>  poverty and also most all middle class poor suffering.
>
>  USA / RUSSIA  fragmented geo political issues made china occupy Tibet and
> other
>
>  Indian lands and also making pakistan and other rouge countries as their
> partners
>
>  to reach its foot print all over the world the same way BRITISH and other
> colonial
>
>  rulers / countries occupied other countries. Recent brit ext is classic
> example and using
>
>  terrorism to impact voters and also becoming common hidden cold war
> model's in the form
>
>  of new Burka - cyber war's and hate politics . Divide and rule.
>
>  From last 70 years India is facing terrorism and other forms of proxy
> war's. now other parts
>
>  of world are getting impacted. There is no good and bad.
>
> China last 6 months threatening India , stopped Hindu's famous mansarovar
> / muount kilash pilgrimage and also threatening to occupy other Indian
> lands and also liberate skkim etc
>
> all china wars with India is to loot TIBET and other parts where it can
> control water and
>
> also make Buddhism / Hinduism vanish as communists. Now world order in
> place. TAIWAN ,
>
> HONGKONG , VIETNAM. JAPAN etc countries are getting bully-ed with PAK ,
> Silk route
>
> projects etc.
>
> Most of China GDP came with other countries opting for cheap goods and
> others thinking that they can save billions of dollars they used this to
> over come others to expand
>
> even to Africa to kill animals ( elephants , Rhino's ) , Iron ore and
> other precious metals the
>
> same looting happened  from India to build Olympics stadiums with looted
> IRON ore and
>
> red sandal wood smugglers and lastly drugs. this story is every where with
> script in different
>
> forms and different news head lines Destabilized world ( south America ,
> Africa ).
>
> history is one way repeating making G - 20 countries fighting each other
> for their own survival or to become top 7 countries rule rest of world in
> various types of Governance. (POLITICAL DATA VIRUS RANSOM GOVERNMENTS
> NETWORKS ).
>
> Now once again weapons of mass cyber destruction is getting to play
> role.Transmitting controlling people ( TCP) as Incompatible  politics ( IP
> ) are coming into effect to create new world order for destruction of Eco
> system & ECHO between citizens of world who are humans living with animals
> and trees water etc around them. Pollute every thing.
>
>
>
> The day TIBET , HONG KONG and other occupied lands are liberated to
> original owners from country levels to village levels than only world will
> change thinking as one family from country to village levels.
>
> world is flat distracting every body / killing every body with out self
> growth self knowledge self sufficient self values etc
>
> E - commerce , M - commerce is over now it is   " RSV -commerce "  Ransom
> Surveillance Virus ware Commerce.
>
>
>
> Good day to you all
>
> kanumuri s raju
>
>
> " We Connect human contacts "
> " We  make net to think and act "
> " Survival is h-commerce -human  commerce or human knowledge commerce
> based on Bartering of knowledge Globally with out money as instrument "
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------
>
> kkkrkstrust <http://kkrkstrust.wordpress.com>   - Social and community
> empowerment and support services
> Create Green world: Share your Knowledge to make India Green  - Eco System
> and self sustainability of world through communities and Internet
> technologies collaboration knowledge collaboration commerce sustainable
> smart villages to connect next 3.4 billion people.
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 4:59 AM, willi uebelherr <
> willi.uebelherr at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
> For your information.
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world
> Datum: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 13:37:00 -0400 (EDT)
> Von: RootsAction Team <info at rootsaction.org>
> Antwort an: info at rootsaction.org
> An: wube at gmx.net
>
> UPDATE: More than 10,000 people signed this urgent petition over the
> weekend. Please join them by signing and sharing!
>
> ______________
>
> What happens during the announced meeting between Donald Trump and
> Vladimir Putin in a few days, at the G-20 summit in Germany, could
> determine the fate of the Earth.
>
> The" Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists" continues to warn the world that
> *the hands of the risk-estimate "Doomsday Clock" have moved even closer to
> catastrophic midnight*. The dangers of global nuclear holocaust are
> increasing -- and a major factor is the rise of tensions between the United
> States and Russia.
>
> So, profoundly, this is not about Trump or Putin. *This is about whether
> relations between the two nuclear-weapons superpowers will continue to spin
> out, worsening the risks of military confrontation.* This is about whether
> the young people we love -- and so many others around the world -- will
> have a future. And whether subsequent generations will even exist.
>  *If you want to express support for seeking détente instead of boosting
> U.S.-Russian tensions, please click here to sign a petition with a vital
> message for Trump and Putin.* [ https://act.rootsaction.org/p/
> dia/action4/common/public/?action_KEY=12985 ]
> "
> "To: President Vladimir Putin and President Donald Trump"
> We vehemently urge you to take a constructive approach to your planned
> meeting at the G-20 summit. Whatever our differences, we must reduce rather
> than increase the risks of nuclear war. The future of humanity is at stake."
>
> To read about the "Doomsday Clock," please click on a Background link at
> the bottom of this email.
>
> After signing the petition, *please use the tools on the next webpage to
> share it with your friends*.
>
> -- The RootsAction.org Team
>
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>
> P.S. RootsAction is an independent online force endorsed by Jim Hightower,
> Barbara Ehrenreich, Cornel West, Daniel Ellsberg, Glenn Greenwald, Naomi
> Klein, Bill Fletcher Jr., Laura Flanders, former U.S. Senator James
> Abourezk, Frances Fox Piven, Lila Garrett, Phil Donahue, Sonali Kolhatkar,
> and many others.
>
> Background:
>
> "AFP:" Trump to Meet Putin at G-20, Seek "More Constructive" Ties [
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-meet-putin-g20-seek-
> more-constructive-ties-183200130.html ]
>
> "Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:" Doomsday Clock [
>
> http://thebulletin.org/timeline ]
>
> Norman Solomon, "The Nation: "Fifty Years Later, Rekindle the
>
> "Spirit of Glassboro" [ https://www.thenation.com/
> article/fifty-years-later-rekindle-the-spirit-of-glassboro/ ]
>
> Robert David English, "Foreign Affairs: "Russia, Trump, and a New
>
> Détente [ https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-
> federation/2017-03-10/russia-trump-and-new-d-tente ]
>
> http://www.rootsaction.org
>
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