[governance] GPS mandatory on all mobile phones to be manufactured in India.
Mohamed ElGohary
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Tue Apr 26 13:44:19 EDT 2016
Triangulation, especially in a crowded country like India, doesn't give
exact location like GPS. Triangulation can be accurate to up to 5 thousand
meters while GPS average is accurate to 3-30 meters generally speaking. and
can be more enhanced in Android with Google default using of Wifi to
support GPS accuracy.
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you for clarifying that you were talking about triangulation. I
> don't know much about the technology behind operating webcams and
> microphones remotely, so I searched and found this page:
>
> http://www.cnet.com/news/many-ways-to-activate-webcams-sans-spy-software/
>
> In this article, the sub-section titled "malware can turn on webcam" is
> what causes concern. This danger is explained in greater detail in the
> article
> http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/how-hackers-can-switch-on-your-webcam-and-control-your-computer-20130328-2gvwv.html
>
>
> My concern about GPS is on a similar abuse of technology.
>
> Thank you.
> Sivasubramanian M
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:01 PM, <george.sadowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Siva,
>>
>> I know nothing about turning on cameras or microphones remotely . My
>> point was that if the phone is 'active' -- perhaps that's a better word
>> -- and ready to receive a phone call, the network of base stations knows
>> where it is through proximity and/or triangulation. It has to, because the
>> network wouldn't work otherwise.
>>
>> Georg
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Peng Hwa and George Sadowsky,
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your comments and pointers. If a camera or a microphone in
>> a computer or phone can be remotely turned on, as George Sadowsky has
>> pointed out, the controls could lie beyond the user's choice. There is also
>> the possibility of the GPS chip in the phone is designed and programmed to
>> enhance surveillance capabilities.
>>
>> --
>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:11 PM, George Sadowsky <
>> george.sadowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The phone at lower levels is transmitting an ACK to the base stations
>>> that it "hears.". So the base station system can track the phone even
>>> though the phone is turned off at the user level.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 2:32 AM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) <TPHANG at ntu.edu.sg>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Pardon my ignorance but unless the GPS chip also transmits data, where
>>> is the privacy concern?
>>>
>>> As I understand it, and of course I stand to be corrected, the GPS chip
>>> is passive in the sense that it collects signals from satellites to
>>> triangulate its position. If the phone then does not transmit the data via
>>> other apps no one will know where the phone is.
>>>
>>> If that is the case, it is the other apps that over-collects data, not
>>> the GPS chip. Already, there are many apps that, in over-enthusiastic
>>> collection of data, already violate privacy. The door has been open and the
>>> horse has long bolted.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ang Peng Hwa
>>>
>>>
>>> From: <governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> on behalf of
>>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
>>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Tuesday, 26 April 2016 8:20 am
>>> To: "Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo)" <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr>
>>> Cc: Said Zazai <saidsemail at gmail.com>, "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <
>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" <
>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] GPS mandatory on all mobile phones to be
>>> manufactured in India.
>>>
>>> Dear Arsene,
>>>
>>> GPS makes navigation precise for the common man, and is of ample help in
>>> finding one's way even while walking in the streets. Parents could use GPS
>>> to ensure that their children are within safe bounds, and there are several
>>> such positive uses. Law and Order agencies would certainly find it easier
>>> to track the elusive criminals and other elements.
>>>
>>> But the idea of surveillance over an entire population in order to
>>> enhance Law and Order capabilities over a just a few targets is a
>>> disturbing idea. Besides raising privacy concerns for the common man, it
>>> causes a totally different kind of security problem for the average person,
>>> whose whereabouts are not only known to responsible officers of Law, but to
>>> a multitude of others who do find a way to access this data.
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) <
>>> arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Siva and Said,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for raising this issue and for sharing your thoughts and
>>>> experience re: free wifi, surveilliance and gps chips.
>>>>
>>>> Privacy is at stake here.
>>>>
>>>> However, i would love to hear from you if there is any positivity that
>>>> can be found in this practice. Is there any positive effect of having GPS
>>>> in all phones?
>>>>
>>>> I would love to hear from you and anyone else interested in this topic.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Arsene Tungali,
>>>> IGC Co-coordinator
>>>> @arsenebaguma
>>>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993810967> (DRCongo)
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> (excuse
>>>> typos and brievity)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2016, 5:56 PM, Said Zazai <saidsemail at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was in Delhi last week and I was surprised to see that Free Wifi was
>>>> given at the cost of giving away your mobile phone number which in turns is
>>>> registered with a government ID usually. As a tourist with no active Indian
>>>> number, wifi was not free for me. I understand that free wifi is not a
>>>> mandatory thing to have but a general practice in non-military or
>>>> non-surveillance states is that there is some level of free internet at
>>>> airports, shopping malls, coffee shops etc., which makes life a lot easier.
>>>>
>>>> The mandatory gps chip in phones is yet another method of monitoring
>>>> general public. I believe the government must have a reason to monitor or
>>>> track an individual. Imagine someone walking right behind you and make
>>>> notes of what you buy, how much you buy them for, where you buy them, who
>>>> you talk to and what you talk to them. As a child I would get highly
>>>> uncomfortable when the bakery store owner would conclude that we had guests
>>>> at home if i would buy more breads than usual and vice versa. The
>>>> government does not need to monitor all its citizens but only criminals and
>>>> those suspicious but in a transparent manner and within legal framework.
>>>>
>>>> The enemy creation or exaggeration has allowed governments in India,
>>>> Pakistan, Afghanistan and many others i'm sure, to invest in technology
>>>> that allows them to invade our privacy and general public sell their
>>>> privacy for national security. For as long as their is an "enemy" there
>>>> will be government tracking us down to save us.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The government of India today made it mandatory for all mobile phone
>>>>> makers to install GPS chip sets in handsets from 2018
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/CNBCTV18News/status/724611179956436992>
>>>>> https://twitter.com/CNBCTV18News/status/724611179956436992
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this right from a privacy point of view? Also, while in enhances
>>>>> the ability of Governments to track the movements of its citizens, it
>>>>> exposes the mobile user to severe security risks, as the GPS data is
>>>>> accessible and usable by a multitude of mobile applications, so the
>>>>> whereabouts of a mobile phone user is easily tracked by criminals as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>>
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