[governance] GPS mandatory on all mobile phones to be manufactured in India.

Bernard Sadaka sdkaaa at gmail.com
Tue Apr 26 14:28:14 EDT 2016


Put your phone in an aluminum case/wrap and your phone can't reach the GPS
satellite and vice-versa :P
Put your phone in a copper case/wrap and your phone becomes offline ;)
On Apr 26, 2016 8:45 PM, "Mohamed ElGohary" <ircpresident at gmail.com> wrote:

> Triangulation, especially in a crowded country like India, doesn't give
> exact location like GPS. Triangulation can be accurate to up to 5 thousand
> meters while GPS average is accurate to 3-30 meters generally speaking. and
> can be more enhanced in Android with Google default using of Wifi to
> support GPS accuracy.
>
>
>
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> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for clarifying that you were talking about triangulation.  I
>> don't know much about the technology behind operating webcams and
>> microphones remotely, so I searched and found this page:
>>
>> http://www.cnet.com/news/many-ways-to-activate-webcams-sans-spy-software/
>>
>> In this article, the sub-section titled "malware can turn on webcam" is
>> what causes concern. This danger is explained in greater detail in the
>> article
>> http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/how-hackers-can-switch-on-your-webcam-and-control-your-computer-20130328-2gvwv.html
>>
>>
>> My concern about GPS is on a similar abuse of technology.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Sivasubramanian M
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:01 PM, <george.sadowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Siva,
>>>
>>> I know nothing about turning on cameras or microphones remotely .  My
>>> point was that if the phone is 'active'  --  perhaps that's a better word
>>>  --  and ready to receive a phone call, the network of base stations knows
>>> where it is through proximity and/or triangulation.  It has to, because the
>>> network wouldn't work otherwise.
>>>
>>> Georg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Peng Hwa and George Sadowsky,
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your comments and pointers. If a camera or a microphone in
>>> a computer or phone can be remotely turned on, as George Sadowsky has
>>> pointed out, the controls could lie beyond the user's choice. There is also
>>> the possibility of the GPS chip in the phone is designed and programmed to
>>> enhance surveillance capabilities.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:11 PM, George Sadowsky <
>>> george.sadowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The phone at lower levels is transmitting an ACK to the base stations
>>>> that it "hears.".  So the base station system can track the phone even
>>>> though the phone is turned off at the user level.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 2:32 AM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) <TPHANG at ntu.edu.sg>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Pardon my ignorance but unless the GPS chip also transmits data, where
>>>> is the privacy concern?
>>>>
>>>> As I understand it, and of course I stand to be corrected, the GPS chip
>>>> is passive in the sense that it collects signals from satellites to
>>>> triangulate its position. If the phone then does not transmit the data via
>>>> other apps no one will know where the phone is.
>>>>
>>>> If that is the case, it is the other apps that over-collects data, not
>>>> the GPS chip. Already, there are many apps that, in over-enthusiastic
>>>> collection of data, already violate privacy. The door has been open and the
>>>> horse has long bolted.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ang Peng Hwa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: <governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> on behalf of
>>>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <
>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <
>>>> isolatedn at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, 26 April 2016 8:20 am
>>>> To: "Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo)" <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr>
>>>> Cc: Said Zazai <saidsemail at gmail.com>, "governance at lists.igcaucus.org"
>>>> <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" <
>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] GPS mandatory on all mobile phones to be
>>>> manufactured in India.
>>>>
>>>> Dear Arsene,
>>>>
>>>> GPS makes navigation precise for the common man, and is of ample help
>>>> in finding one's way even while walking in the streets. Parents could use
>>>> GPS to ensure that their children are within safe bounds, and there are
>>>> several such positive uses. Law and Order agencies would certainly find it
>>>> easier to track the elusive criminals and other elements.
>>>>
>>>> But the idea of surveillance over an entire population in order to
>>>> enhance Law and Order capabilities over a just a few targets is a
>>>> disturbing idea.  Besides raising privacy concerns for the common man, it
>>>> causes a totally different kind of security problem for the average person,
>>>> whose whereabouts are not only known to responsible officers of Law, but to
>>>> a multitude of others who do find a way to access this data.
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) <
>>>> arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Siva and Said,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for raising this issue and for sharing your thoughts and
>>>>> experience re: free wifi, surveilliance and gps chips.
>>>>>
>>>>> Privacy is at stake here.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, i would love to hear from you if there is any positivity that
>>>>> can be found in this practice. Is there any positive effect of having GPS
>>>>> in all phones?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would love to hear from you and anyone else interested in this topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> A
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Arsene Tungali,
>>>>> IGC Co-coordinator
>>>>> @arsenebaguma
>>>>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993810967> (DRCongo)
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> (excuse
>>>>> typos and brievity)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2016, 5:56 PM, Said Zazai <saidsemail at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I was in Delhi last week and I was surprised to see that Free Wifi was
>>>>> given at the cost of giving away your mobile phone number which in turns is
>>>>> registered with a government ID usually. As a tourist with no active Indian
>>>>> number, wifi was not free for me. I understand that free wifi is not a
>>>>> mandatory thing to have but a general practice in non-military or
>>>>> non-surveillance states is that there is some level of free internet at
>>>>> airports, shopping malls, coffee shops etc., which makes life a lot easier.
>>>>>
>>>>> The mandatory gps chip in phones is yet another method of monitoring
>>>>> general public. I believe the government must have a reason to monitor or
>>>>> track an individual. Imagine someone walking right behind you and make
>>>>> notes of what you buy, how much you buy them for, where you buy them, who
>>>>> you talk to and what you talk to them. As a child I would get highly
>>>>> uncomfortable when the bakery store owner would conclude that we had guests
>>>>> at home if i would buy more breads than usual and vice versa. The
>>>>> government does not need to monitor all its citizens but only criminals and
>>>>> those suspicious but in a transparent manner and within legal framework.
>>>>>
>>>>> The enemy creation or exaggeration has allowed governments in India,
>>>>> Pakistan, Afghanistan and many others i'm sure, to invest in technology
>>>>> that allows them to invade our privacy and general public sell their
>>>>> privacy for national security. For as long as their is an "enemy" there
>>>>> will be government tracking us down to save us.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>> isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The government of India today made it mandatory for all mobile phone
>>>>>> makers to install GPS chip sets in handsets from 2018
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/CNBCTV18News/status/724611179956436992>
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/CNBCTV18News/status/724611179956436992
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this right from a privacy point of view?  Also, while in enhances
>>>>>> the ability of Governments to track the movements of its citizens, it
>>>>>> exposes the mobile user to severe security risks, as the GPS data is
>>>>>> accessible and usable by a multitude of mobile applications, so the
>>>>>> whereabouts of a mobile phone user is easily tracked by criminals as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
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