[governance] The decentralization of the DNS system

chlebrum . chlebrum at gmail.com
Tue Jun 23 10:29:56 EDT 2015


All last examples and explanations become quite surreallistic because, as I
explained previously, it exists different Registries that had, for years,
their own networks, totally ICANN independent, and of course they have
customers who use their TLDs.
Each of these differents networks has a choice of business model, *if you
doubt you can consult attached file*, a complaint with *NameSpace as
plaintiff Vs ICANN*.
You will read from page 37 the list (exhibit A, B and C) of gTLDs claimed
by NameSpace ... including some .NGO (page 41)[?]
So now we have at least 3 different .NGO, who saw a problem?
As said previously, Open-Root used to SALE TLDs to customer, which becomes
an effective registry and allows the creation of "domain names" free. It's
our choice and it is great for clients.
As Jean-Christophe said, enter a different DNS number that ICANN (or
Google, which is also an Open Root !!!) often provides a faster connection
because it escapes spam and monitoring filters. A lot of people in
countries like Turkey, Azerbaidjan, Russia, Iran, France and USA made these
change, but, in fact it is in microseconds and this is the Quality of
Service that makes difference for users (it depends on his continent,
connectivity, provider, etc.). Louis Pouzin wrote a paper about this
problem during the NetMundial last year.


Chantal Lebrument
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2015-06-23 15:43 GMT+02:00 Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>:

> Jean-Christophe -
>
> Unfortunately, there is an actual TLD called .ngo - in which your
> theglobaljournal.ngo does not exist.
>
> So - there is now an inconsistency - there’s one set of ngo domains hosted
> on “the real dns” and another totally different set of ngo domains hosted
> on your open root or whatever.    And there is zero connectivity or
> consistency between the two.
>
> They affectively exist in parallel universes, completely unreachable from
> each other.
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> theglobaljournal.ngo
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 22896
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;theglobaljournal.ngo. IN A
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> ngo. 899 IN SOA a0.nic.ngo. noc.afilias-nst.info. 1000002722 10800 3600
> 2764800 900
>
>
> On 23-Jun-2015, at 7:05 pm, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <
> jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
>
> Not sure to understand what kind of demonstration you are aiming at.
>
> You dig the wrong place, and do not pay enough attention. Did I indicate
> that theglobaljournal.net was located at theglobaljournal.ngo (by
> Open-Root)? No. A domain name that was created back in 2010 with a .net and
> is up since then was not set - sadly- by using Open-Root. I regret it. To
> shift it in the future is a possibility. Thanks to your email, I'll think
> about it seriously.
>
> I precisely indicated that all my computers and devices were sending their
> requests for resolving name to IP, not any longer to an ICANN affiliate but
> to Open-Root. I am very happy with that change, as Open-Root responds
> faster than my former ICANN resolver. Then, I invited anyone to do so by
> changing their DNS settings in their own device and computers. So maybe you
> are able to enter my personal settings and penetrate my computers to check
> that, and maybe prove to the entire world that I am some kind of a "liar" -
> please provide us the results of your kind investigation.
>
> One additional information regarding the .ngo : it will be up and running
> - NGOs currently choosing their domain name (for free) with a .ngo in the
> Open Root - sometime in July. We are working hard on this as you can
> imagine. But now you can also dig + trace Open Root and tell everyone in
> the list if Louis Pouzin exists or if he and Open-Root are a fake.
>
> So unless you wish to simply discredit any party at the conversation
> table, I am not sure what to think about that last email of yours.
>
> Everyone will appreciate.
>
> JC
>
> Le 23 juin 2015 à 15:10, McTim a écrit :
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>
> What you call a fairyland is the reality that you happen to be using to
> even
>
> be able to send this email.
>
>
> Indeed, I see no evidence of an alt-root in this dig + trace:
>
>
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> theglobaljournal.net MX +trace
> ;; global options:  printcmd
> .                       10431   IN      NS      c.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      a.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      h.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      k.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      g.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      d.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      f.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      j.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      m.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      e.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      b.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      l.root-servers.net.
> .                       10431   IN      NS      i.root-servers.net.
> ;; Received 228 bytes from 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) in 45 ms
>
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      h.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      e.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      m.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      c.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      k.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      g.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      j.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      b.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      d.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      f.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      i.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      l.gtld-servers.net.
> net.                    172800  IN      NS      a.gtld-servers.net.
> ;; Received 507 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(c.root-servers.net) in 46 ms
>
> theglobaljournal.net.   172800  IN      NS      a.dns.gandi.net.
> theglobaljournal.net.   172800  IN      NS      b.dns.gandi.net.
> theglobaljournal.net.   172800  IN      NS      c.dns.gandi.net.
> ;; Received 228 bytes from 192.54.112.30#53(h.gtld-servers.net) in 122 ms
>
> theglobaljournal.net.   600     IN      MX      10 spool.mail.gandi.net.
> theglobaljournal.net.   600     IN      MX      50 fb.mail.gandi.net.
> theglobaljournal.net.   10800   IN      NS      c.dns.gandi.net.
> theglobaljournal.net.   10800   IN      NS      b.dns.gandi.net.
> theglobaljournal.net.   10800   IN      NS      a.dns.gandi.net.
> ;; Received 142 bytes from 173.246.98.1#53(a.dns.gandi.net) in 39 ms
>
>
>
> That chinese proposal is not a technical one - it is a smokescreen for a
>
> political move.
>
>
> Censorship seems to be the motivation.
>
> Any civil society that actually winds up supporting it
>
> finds itself endorsing a multilateral model where civil society, industry
> or
>
> other non government stakeholders are shut off from decision making.
>
>
> If that is your intent, then please do say so in slightly clearer terms
> than
>
> you have so far.
>
>
>
> If you are looking for a chinese proposal to scale the root, the one
> described here seems to be less offensive to CS sensibilities:
>
>
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
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