<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Les différents exemples et explications de ces derniers jours deviennent assez surréalistes car, comme expliqué, il EXISTE différents Registres qui ont depuis des années des réseaux, indépendants de celui de l'ICANN, et bien sûr ils ont des clients qui utilisent leurs TLDs.">All last examples and explanations become quite surreallistic
because, as I explained previously, it exists different Registries that had, for years, their own
networks, totally ICANN independent, and of course they have
customers who use their TLDs. </span><span title="Chacun de ces réseaux a fait un choix de modèle économique, si vous en doutez vous pouvez consulter le dépôt de plainte de NameSpace contre l'ICANN (qui avait comme à son habitude fait une action pas très morale, vendre deux fois les mêmes TLDs à"><br>Each
of these differents networks has a choice of business model, <b>if you doubt you can
consult attached file</b>, a complaint with <b>NameSpace as plaintiff Vs ICANN</b></span><span title="deux clients différents).">. <br></span><span title="Vous verrez à partir de la page 37 la liste (exhibit A, B et C) des gTLDs revendiqués par NameSpace... dont un certain .NGO (page 41)
">You will read from page 37 the list (exhibit A, B and C) of gTLDs claimed by NameSpace ... including some .NGO (page 41)<img goomoji="gtalk.333" style="margin: 0px 0.2ex; vertical-align: middle;" src="cid:gtalk.333@goomoji.gmail"><br></span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Vous verrez à partir de la page 37 la liste (exhibit A, B et C) des gTLDs revendiqués par NameSpace... dont un certain .NGO (page 41)
"><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Nous en avons donc maintenant au moins 3!
">So now we have at least 3 different .NGO, who saw a problem? </span></span></span><span title="L'originalité d'Open-Root est la VENTE du TLD au client, qui devient de fait un Registre, et permet donc la création de "noms de domaine", gratuitement.
"><br>As said previously, Open-Root used to SALE TLDs to customer, which becomes an
effective registry and allows the creation of "domain names" free. It's our choice and it is great for clients.<br></span><span title="Comme le dit Jean-Christophe, utliser un DNS différent de celui de l'ICANN permet souvent d'avoir une connexion plus rapide car on échappe à l'ajout des spams et des filtres de surveillance, mais il s'agit de microsecondes et en">As
Jean-Christophe said, enter a different DNS number that ICANN (or Google, which is also an Open Root !!!) often provides
a faster connection because it escapes spam and
monitoring filters. A lot of people in countries like Turkey, Azerbaidjan, Russia, Iran, France and USA made these change, but, in fact it is in microseconds and this</span><span title="fait c'est la Qualité de Service que l'utiisateur final a de son lieu de connexion (continent, connectivité, provider, etc.) qui fait la différence."> is the Quality of Service that makes difference for users (it depends on his continent, connectivity, provider, etc.). Louis Pouzin wrote a paper about this problem during the NetMundial last year.<br><br></span></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#660000">Chantal Lebrument</font></div><div style="font-size:small;font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#660000">Courriel: <a href="mailto:lebrument@open-root.eu" target="_blank">c</a><a href="mailto:hlebrum@gmail.com" target="_blank">hlebrum@gmail.com</a><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small;font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#660000">Mob: +33 6 8369 5460</font></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-06-23 15:43 GMT+02:00 Suresh Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Jean-Christophe -<div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, there is an actual TLD called .ngo - in which your theglobaljournal.ngo does not exist.</div><div><br></div><div>So - there is now an inconsistency - there’s one set of ngo domains hosted on “the real dns” and another totally different set of ngo domains hosted on your open root or whatever. And there is zero connectivity or consistency between the two.</div><div><br></div><div>They affectively exist in parallel universes, completely unreachable from each other.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo">; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> theglobaljournal.ngo</div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo">;; global options: +cmd</div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo">;; Got answer:</div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo">;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 22896</div><span class=""><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo">;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0</div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo;min-height:13px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo">;; QUESTION SECTION:</div></span><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo">;theglobaljournal.ngo.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>IN<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>A</div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo;min-height:13px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo">;; AUTHORITY SECTION:</div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:11px;font-family:Menlo">ngo.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>899<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>IN<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>SOA<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>a0.nic.ngo. <a href="http://noc.afilias-nst.info" target="_blank">noc.afilias-nst.info</a>. 1000002722 10800 3600 2764800 900</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 23-Jun-2015, at 7:05 pm, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <<a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net" target="_blank">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Optima;border-spacing:0px;font-size:inherit">Not sure to understand what kind of demonstration you are aiming at.</span></div><div><br></div><div>You dig the wrong place, and do not pay enough attention. Did I indicate that <a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/" target="_blank">theglobaljournal.net</a> was located at theglobaljournal.ngo (by Open-Root)? No. A domain name that was created back in 2010 with a .net and is up since then was not set - sadly- by using Open-Root. I regret it. To shift it in the future is a possibility. Thanks to your email, I'll think about it seriously.</div><div><br></div><div>I precisely indicated that all my computers and devices were sending their requests for resolving name to IP, not any longer to an ICANN affiliate but to Open-Root. I am very happy with that change, as Open-Root responds faster than my former ICANN resolver. Then, I invited anyone to do so by changing their DNS settings in their own device and computers. So maybe you are able to enter my personal settings and penetrate my computers to check that, and maybe prove to the entire world that I am some kind of a "liar" - please provide us the results of your kind investigation.</div><div><br></div><div>One additional information regarding the .ngo : it will be up and running - NGOs currently choosing their domain name (for free) with a .ngo in the Open Root - sometime in July. We are working hard on this as you can imagine. But now you can also dig + trace Open Root and tell everyone in the list if Louis Pouzin exists or if he and Open-Root are a fake.</div><div><br></div><div>So unless you wish to simply discredit any party at the conversation table, I am not sure what to think about that last email of yours.</div><div><br></div><div>Everyone will appreciate. </div><div><br></div><div>JC</div>
<br><div><div>Le 23 juin 2015 à 15:10, McTim a écrit :</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian<br><<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">What you call a fairyland is the reality that you happen to be using to even<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">be able to send this email.<br></blockquote><br>Indeed, I see no evidence of an alt-root in this dig + trace:<br><br><br><br>; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> <a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/" target="_blank">theglobaljournal.net</a> MX +trace<br>;; global options: printcmd<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://c.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">c.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://a.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">a.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://h.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">h.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://k.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">k.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://g.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">g.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://d.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">d.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://f.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">f.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://j.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">j.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://m.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">m.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://e.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">e.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://b.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">b.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://l.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">l.root-servers.net</a>.<br>. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://i.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">i.root-servers.net</a>.<br>;; Received 228 bytes from 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) in 45 ms<br><br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://h.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">h.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://e.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">e.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://m.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">m.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://c.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">c.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://k.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">k.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://g.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">g.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://j.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">j.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://b.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">b.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://d.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">d.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://f.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">f.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://i.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">i.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://l.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">l.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://a.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">a.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br>;; Received 507 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(<a href="http://c.root-servers.net/" target="_blank">c.root-servers.net</a>) in 46 ms<br><br><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/" target="_blank">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://a.dns.gandi.net/" target="_blank">a.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/" target="_blank">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://b.dns.gandi.net/" target="_blank">b.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/" target="_blank">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://c.dns.gandi.net/" target="_blank">c.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br>;; Received 228 bytes from 192.54.112.30#53(<a href="http://h.gtld-servers.net/" target="_blank">h.gtld-servers.net</a>) in 122 ms<br><br><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/" target="_blank">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 600 IN MX 10 <a href="http://spool.mail.gandi.net/" target="_blank">spool.mail.gandi.net</a>.<br><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/" target="_blank">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 600 IN MX 50 <a href="http://fb.mail.gandi.net/" target="_blank">fb.mail.gandi.net</a>.<br><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/" target="_blank">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 10800 IN NS <a href="http://c.dns.gandi.net/" target="_blank">c.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/" target="_blank">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 10800 IN NS <a href="http://b.dns.gandi.net/" target="_blank">b.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/" target="_blank">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 10800 IN NS <a href="http://a.dns.gandi.net/" target="_blank">a.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br>;; Received 142 bytes from 173.246.98.1#53(<a href="http://a.dns.gandi.net/" target="_blank">a.dns.gandi.net</a>) in 39 ms<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">That chinese proposal is not a technical one - it is a smokescreen for a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">political move.<br></blockquote><br>Censorship seems to be the motivation.<br><br> Any civil society that actually winds up supporting it<br><blockquote type="cite">finds itself endorsing a multilateral model where civil society, industry or<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">other non government stakeholders are shut off from decision making.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If that is your intent, then please do say so in slightly clearer terms than<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">you have so far.<br></blockquote><br><br>If you are looking for a chinese proposal to scale the root, the one<br>described here seems to be less offensive to CS sensibilities:<br><br><a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/" target="_blank">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/</a><br><br><br><br>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. 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