[bestbits] [governance] Call for making the IGF permanent

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Wed Sep 3 17:04:50 EDT 2014 

That certainly is my view, Nigel.  We can fix it once we get it...
cheers Stephanie
On 2014-09-03, 16:31, Nigel Hickson wrote:
> Good evening
>
> I think (but am often wrong) we are at one of those pivotal moments; 
> the strength of the IGF is the diverse bodies it throws together.  A 
> call for an open-ended mandate for IGF is not guaranteed to find 
> traction at the UNGA but we would kick ourselves had we not tried.
>
> Best
>
> Nigel
>
>
> From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>
> Reply-To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>
> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 11:15 PM
> To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>>, Anja Kovacs 
> <anja at internetdemocracy.in <mailto:anja at internetdemocracy.in>>, Lee W 
> McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu <mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>>
> Cc: Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>, 
> George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com 
> <mailto:george.sadowsky at gmail.com>>, Pranesh Prakash 
> <pranesh at cis-india.org <mailto:pranesh at cis-india.org>>, Jeanette 
> Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu <mailto:jeanette at wzb.eu>>, Best Bits 
> <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Call for making the IGF permanent
>
> I think this is helpful, and I am sorry that I missed the BestBits 
> meeting and all the discussion.  My understanding (and I cc Jeanette 
> who was there and who was taking on the task for this letter, was that 
> discussion of evolution and strengthening was to go in the other 
> letter....because it was harder to get agreement on that.  WE are 
> getting countries to sign on to extension of the mandate, which is 
> quite difficult.  We cannot start throwing in qualitative material 
> that requires negotiation.
> Is this not why we have three letter going?
> Thanks
> Stephanie
> On 2014-09-03, 13:43, Anja Kovacs wrote:
>> Thanks, Lee. That was in fact also what was suggested at the Best 
>> Bits meeting.
>>
>> The unanimous support was not merely for establishing the IGF as a 
>> permanent or long-term body, but for establishing it as a permanent 
>> or long-term body while reforming and strengthening it, and that is 
>> the language that the Best Bits draft statement also uses at the 
>> moment (the cross-stakeholder statement unfortunately does not). 
>> Transparency and accountability for me are an integral part of what 
>> needs to be strengthened, and I'm happy for that to be spelled out. I 
>> have made a suggestion to that effect on the pad where the BB 
>> statement is being drafted.
>>
>> I wouldn't normally cross-post a message like this (on a BB 
>> statement) to the IGC list, but I thought it is important that since 
>> this conversation has now spread out over both lists, people who are 
>> only part of the IGC should have the correct background information 
>> as well.
>>
>> Thanks and best,
>> Anja
>>
>>
>> On 3 September 2014 22:27, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu 
>> <mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     My cent:
>>
>>     Split the difference.
>>
>>     Everyone agrees/calls for a ten year planning horizon for UN
>>     participation in IGF;
>>
>>     coupled with a call for greater multistakeholder participation in
>>     the -annual - review process for IGF accountability and
>>     transparency reasons.
>>
>>     Everyone's a winner.
>>
>>     Lee
>>
>>
>>     ________________________________________
>>     From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
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>>     <governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
>>     <mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org>> on behalf of
>>     George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:george.sadowsky at gmail.com>>
>>     Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 12:08 PM
>>     To: Civil IGC Society Internet Governance Caucus -; Milton L Mueller
>>     Cc: Pranesh Prakash; Jeanette Hofmann; Best Bits
>>     Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] Call for making the IGF
>>     permanent
>>
>>     I agree with Prakesh also.
>>
>>     George
>>
>>
>>     On Sep 3, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu
>>     <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >> -----Original Message-----
>>     >> I will have to be the one to provide that "almost" to that
>>     unanimity.
>>     >> Speaking for myself, I do not support making the IGF a
>>     permanent body.
>>     >>
>>     >> The IGF has to be relevant and has to deliver results, and we
>>     should push for
>>     >> accountability of the IGF.  Making it permanent isn't really
>>     going to help
>>     >> accountability of the IGF (just as having the IANA contract be
>>     renewable has
>>     >> helped keep ICANN more accountable so far, though the analogy
>>     is not perfect).
>>     >> I would support making the evaluation process (for renewal of
>>     the IGF's term)
>>     >> more participative and transparent and, yes, more
>>     "multistakeholder".
>>     >
>>     > Agree with Pranash
>>     > --MM
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