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That certainly is my view, Nigel. We can fix it once we get it...<br>
cheers Stephanie<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-09-03, 16:31, Nigel Hickson
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<div>Good evening </div>
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<div>I think (but am often wrong) we are at one of those pivotal
moments; the strength of the IGF is the diverse bodies it throws
together. A call for an open-ended mandate for IGF is not
guaranteed to find traction at the UNGA but we would kick
ourselves had we not tried. </div>
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<div>Best</div>
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<div>Nigel </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday,
September 3, 2014 11:15 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a
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Lee W McKnight <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> Milton L Mueller
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George Sadowsky <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Pranesh Prakash <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Jeanette Hofmann <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Bits <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re:
[bestbits] [governance] Call for making the IGF permanent<br>
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I think this is helpful, and I am sorry that I missed the
BestBits meeting and all the discussion. My understanding
(and I cc Jeanette who was there and who was taking on the
task for this letter, was that discussion of evolution and
strengthening was to go in the other letter....because it
was harder to get agreement on that. WE are getting
countries to sign on to extension of the mandate, which is
quite difficult. We cannot start throwing in qualitative
material that requires negotiation.
<br>
Is this not why we have three letter going?<br>
Thanks <br>
Stephanie<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-09-03, 13:43, Anja
Kovacs wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks, Lee. That was in fact also what was
suggested at the Best Bits meeting.
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<div>The unanimous support was not merely for
establishing the IGF as a permanent or long-term body,
but for establishing it as a permanent or long-term
body while reforming and strengthening it, and that is
the language that the Best Bits draft statement also
uses at the moment (the cross-stakeholder statement
unfortunately does not). Transparency and
accountability for me are an integral part of what
needs to be strengthened, and I'm happy for that to be
spelled out. I have made a suggestion to that effect
on the pad where the BB statement is being drafted.</div>
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<div>I wouldn't normally cross-post a message like this
(on a BB statement) to the IGC list, but I thought it
is important that since this conversation has now
spread out over both lists, people who are only part
of the IGC should have the correct background
information as well.</div>
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<div>Thanks and best,</div>
<div>Anja </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 3 September 2014 22:27, Lee
W McKnight <span dir="ltr">
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My cent:<br>
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Split the difference.<br>
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Everyone agrees/calls for a ten year planning
horizon for UN participation in IGF;<br>
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coupled with a call for greater multistakeholder
participation in the -annual - review process for
IGF accountability and transparency reasons.<br>
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Everyone's a winner.<br>
<br>
Lee<br>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 12:08 PM<br>
To: Civil IGC Society Internet Governance Caucus -;
Milton L Mueller<br>
Cc: Pranesh Prakash; Jeanette Hofmann; Best Bits<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] Call for making
the IGF permanent<br>
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I agree with Prakesh also.<br>
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George<br>
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On Sep 3, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Milton L Mueller
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>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> I will have to be the one to provide
that "almost" to that unanimity.<br>
>> Speaking for myself, I do not support
making the IGF a permanent body.<br>
>><br>
>> The IGF has to be relevant and has to
deliver results, and we should push for<br>
>> accountability of the IGF. Making it
permanent isn't really going to help<br>
>> accountability of the IGF (just as
having the IANA contract be renewable has<br>
>> helped keep ICANN more accountable so
far, though the analogy is not perfect).<br>
>> I would support making the evaluation
process (for renewal of the IGF's term)<br>
>> more participative and transparent and,
yes, more "multistakeholder".<br>
><br>
> Agree with Pranash<br>
> --MM<br>
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