[governance] URGENT: Last call for feedback on CS participation in NETmundial Initiative
françoise
f.massit at orange.fr
Wed Nov 19 12:03:25 EST 2014
RE to "nature abhors a vacuum" :
Since its inception, WEF has been a vacuum-cleaner for civil society,
developing countries and enlightened citizens - all just dust.
What's the hell to ignore the history of high power games and to
nourish self-proclaimed meritocracy !
No possible gain in that place.
Best,
Françoise
Le 19 nov. 14 à 16:35, Mwendwa Kivuva a écrit :
> My view would be for us to participate in NMI. We have nothing to
> loose, not even credibility. More often than not, we have participated
> in forums where big money and governments are also represented. Like
> the IGF for example, and the one time NetMundial. Civil Society also
> participates in ICANN through NCSG and At-large, ... and many more
> initiatives that escape my mind.
>
> If we don't participate in NMI, they will just go ahead without us,
> and achieve their agenda and goals without the checks and balances
> that Civil Society brings. Remember, nature abhors a vacuum.
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
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>
> "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk
> on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
>
>
> On 18 November 2014 23:56, Jean-Louis FULLSACK
> <jlfullsack at orange.fr> wrote:
>> Dear Siva
>>
>>
>> Do really know what "Big Business" is, what its representation and
>> its
>> interests in the "ICT world" are ? Maybe you are confusing it (Big
>> Business)
>> with the enterprises, corporations and entities that constitute the
>> so-called private sector. Only the latter is referred to in WSIS
>> documents
>> and in particular the Declaration of principles. Therefore, IMHO
>> Guru is
>> right. He just omitted to add the "Big Five" to the "Five Eyes" !
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> Jean-Louis Fullsack
>>
>>
>>
>>> Message du 19/11/14 10:22
>>> De : "Sivasubramanian M" <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>>> A : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
>>> "Guru" <Guru at itforchange.net>
>>> Copie à :
>>> Objet : Re: [governance] URGENT: Last call for feedback on CS
>>> participation in NETmundial Initiative
>>>
>>>
>> Dear Guru,
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (You (Guru) said:
>>> WEF is a primarily group of big businesses. We have seen the
>>> increasing
>>> danger to the ideals of the WSIS Declaration of Principles from the
>>> activities of transnational corporations. Apart from using/
>>> monetising our
>>> data for their commercial gains in
>>> authorised/unauthorised/illegitimate/illegal ways, their
>>> unregulated work
>>> also is structuring our participation in the information society
>>> in many
>>> unhealthy ways. Through Snowden we also understand how many of
>>> them are in
>>> cahoots with the 5 eyes (USG+) on extraordinary programme of global
>>> surveillance
>>
>>
>>>
>> If such as strong generalization of big business is to be accepted
>> as fair
>> and valid, then all those who subscribe to such a generalization
>> may have to
>> go back to the WSIS declarations and summarily exclude Business as a
>> Stakeholder group, and then declare that Internet Governance ought
>> to be a
>> process with two stakeholder groups - Government + Civil Society.
>> No, no,
>> on second thoughts I see your reference to Snowden and USG+, so the
>> Civil
>> Society could exclude Government from Internet Governance, and
>> declare that
>> Internet Governance must be reinvented as a single stakeholder group
>> process, with Civil Society as the only stakeholder group.
>>
>>>
>> Seriously, i
>> f WSIS had committed to build a "
>> people-centred, inclusive and development-oriented Information
>> Society
>> ", what happens to inclusiveness and development with such a
>> position on Big
>> Business?
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>> And, why this hatred for big business? Most progress in this world
>> has
>> happened because of enterprise, much more because of business than
>> because
>> of Government. Granted, some of the information technology big
>> businesses
>> have worked with Governments on surveillance designs, and even
>> there, we do
>> not know how of much of such cooperation came out of a desire for
>> profit and
>> how much of it was forced by arm-twisting or by milder pressures in
>> so many
>> subtle and imaginative ways.
>>
>>>
>> Irrespective of how WEF's role has been articulated at the moment,
>> it is a
>> very positive development to bring in the WEF
>> .
>> WEF participation suddenly expands business participation to a
>> world of
>> business outside the IT sector, so WEF's attention to IG issues
>> might by
>> itself act as a balancing influence within the corporate world,
>> because many
>> of these Big Businesses are Internet "users" themselves.
>> Some of these Big Businesses are possibly charitable in unknown
>> ways. What
>> is needed here is strong support at the moment, and w
>> e could
>> eventually
>> work towards a greater balance across stakeholder groups.
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Guru <Guru at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mawaki
>>>>
>>>> I would like to cite from two sources:
>>>>
>>>> A. WSIS Declaration of Principles -
>>>> http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/official/dop.html (the very
>>>> first two
>>>> clauses)
>>>>
>>>> 1. We, the representatives of the peoples of the world*,
>>>> *assembled in
>>>> Geneva from 10-12 December 2003 for the first phase of the World
>>>> Summit on
>>>> the Information Society,* declare our common desire and
>>>> commitment to build
>>>> a people-centred, inclusive and development-oriented Information
>>>> Society,
>>>> where everyone can create, access, utilize and share information
>>>> and
>>>> knowledge, enabling individuals, communities and peoples to
>>>> achieve their
>>>> full potential in promoting their sustainable development and
>>>> improving
>>>> their quality of life, premised on the purposes and principles of
>>>> the
>>>> Charter of the United Nations and respecting fully and upholding
>>>> the
>>>> Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
>>>> 2. Our challenge* is to harness the potential of information and
>>>> communication technology to promote the development goals of the
>>>> Millennium
>>>> Declaration, namely the eradication of extreme poverty and hunger;
>>>> achievement of universal primary education; promotion of gender
>>>> equality and
>>>> empowerment of women; reduction of child mortality; improvement
>>>> of maternal
>>>> health; to combat HIV/AIDS, malaria and other diseases; ensuring
>>>> environmental sustainability; and development of global
>>>> partnerships for
>>>> development for the attainment of a more peaceful, just and
>>>> prosperous
>>>> world. We also reiterate our commitment to the achievement of
>>>> sustainable
>>>> development and agreed development goals, as contained in the
>>>> Johannesburg
>>>> Declaration and Plan of Implementation and the Monterrey
>>>> Consensus, and
>>>> other outcomes of relevant United Nations Summits.
>>>>
>>>> I now will cite from the WEF site - http://www.weforum.org/our-members
>>>>
>>>> Begin
>>>> Our Members
>>>> The World Economic Forum is a membership organization. Our Members
>>>> comprise 1,000 of the world's top corporations, global
>>>> enterprises usually
>>>> with more than US$ 5 billion in turnover. These enterprises rank
>>>> among the
>>>> top companies within their industry and play a leading role in
>>>> shaping the
>>>> future of their industry and region. Some of our Member companies
>>>> join the
>>>> Forum's Strategic and Industry Partnership communities, which are
>>>> designed
>>>> to deepen their engagement with the Forum's events, project and
>>>> initiatives.
>>>> The Forum's Members are at the heart of all our activities.
>>>> End
>>>>
>>>> It is clear that WEF is a primarily group of big businesses. We
>>>> have
>>>> seen the increasing danger to the ideals of the WSIS Declaration of
>>>> Principles from the activities of transnational corporations.
>>>> Apart from
>>>> using/monetising our data for their commercial gains in
>>>> authorised/unauthorised/illegitimate/illegal ways, their
>>>> unregulated work
>>>> also is structuring our participation in the information society
>>>> in many
>>>> unhealthy ways. Through Snowden we also understand how many of
>>>> them are in
>>>> cahoots with the 5 eyes (USG+) on extraordinary programme of global
>>>> surveillance, which helps them in their goals of political-economic
>>>> domination / colonisation
>>>>
>>>> Participating in forums anchored in such a space will only
>>>> legitimise
>>>> their power. I am clear that IGC should not participate in the
>>>> NMI.
>>>>
>>>> thanks and regards
>>>> Guru
>>>>
>>>> Gurumurthy Kasinathan
>>>> Director, IT for Change
>>>> In Special Consultative Status with the United Nations ECOSOC
>>>> www.ITforChange.Net| Cell:91 9845437730 | Tel:91 80 26654134,
>>>> 26536890
>>>> http://karnatakaeducation.org.in/KOER/en/index.php/Subject_Teacher_Forum
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday 18 November 2014 05:02 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote:
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> You must have heard a good deal about this by now, so I won't
>>>>> repeat
>>>>> the background details. In the middle of the night last night,
>>>>> before
>>>>> hitting the bed after a long and drawn out day playing catch-up
>>>>> with
>>>>> deadlines, I saw that Ian (chair of CSCG) forwarded the NMI
>>>>> Transitional Committee's reply the CSCG enquiry. Basically, they
>>>>> are
>>>>> willing to let the CSCG vet CS candidates to be part of the NMI
>>>>> Coordination Council.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now the question before us is to get a feel of the membership of
>>>>> CSCG
>>>>> member entities as to whether to get involved in the NMI process
>>>>> or
>>>>> not. I believe this is the last step in the consultations we've
>>>>> been
>>>>> having (with NMI initiators, among ourselves at the CSCG and
>>>>> with the
>>>>> membership of our respective organizations.) After this we
>>>>> should be
>>>>> able to give a definite answer, formulate a definite position
>>>>> about
>>>>> our participation in the NMI process.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what do you think? Please get right to the point and be brief.
>>>>> State your preference for IGC Involvement or No involvement and,
>>>>> if
>>>>> you care to provide us with such, I would be grateful to you if
>>>>> you
>>>>> could keep your supporting argument in one short paragraph (as we
>>>>> just want to take the "temperature of the room" if you see what I
>>>>> mean.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your understanding. Best regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mawaki
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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