[governance] PINGO

[Garth Graham]

I would like to underline that Kleinwächter is making a distinction in rule making (i.e. in governance) between processes that are “within the system,” and processes that are imposed from outside the system.  That distinction is fundamental to understanding the principles governing the organization of complex adaptive systems.  In effect, the processes of rule making in the IETF, and the processes of policy making in ICANN that mirror them, are “governed” by internal self-organization.  The correct way to view them is as a beta test of the direction that rule making is taking in digital culture.  To the degree that we’ve begun to supply a “roadmap” that increases awareness of how such processes of rule making work, it is perfectly natural for governments to resist them.  After all, there are no governments that work that way now.

GG

On 2014-05-12, at 4:15 AM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
> yes, I think that RFC compliance falls into the "Open Standards" para. of the NeMundial document (Principle 8). But as you know, RFCs are not legally binding. Everybody can disregard RFC Standards (and to build an alternative root) but it is in the self-interests of the provider and user of services to follow RFCs to be "as interoperable as possible". So the checks and baalances are within the system, not in external oversight bodies. And yes it would make sense if MEPs understand the RFC culture. It could be a source of inspiration how to innovate rule making in the Internet Age.
> 
> wolfgang 
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von JOSEFSSON Erik
> Gesendet: Mo 12.05.2014 04:25
> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Kleinwächter, Wolfgang
> Betreff: [governance] RE: PINGO
> 
> Dear Mr Kleinwächter,
> 
> Thanks for the instructions in your article's last paragraph on how to use the NETmundial text! :-)
> 
> I wonder if RFC-compliance would fall within its OPEN STANDARDS paragraph?
> 
> <quote>
> OPEN STANDARDS
> Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and decisions made by rough consensus, that allow for a global, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation.
> </quote>
> 
> If so, would it be advisable to use the NETmundial statement to inform public bodies like the European Parliament about RFC-compliance? As the EP is providing email for us who work here, you could maybe argue that it contributes to a widely used social network platform on the internet and therefore, to some extent, contributes to "internet governance"?
> 
> Grateful for advice.
> 
> I ask because we're working on connecting the dots (as far as those dots exist):
> 
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/parl-user/Week-of-Mon-20140505/000043.html
> http://icg.greens-efa.eu/pipermail/hub/2014-May/000130.html
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> //Erik
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" [wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de]
> Sent: Sunday 11 May 2014 10:42
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: [governance] PINGO
> 
> Hi,
> 
> here is my view how to deal with the section on Internet Principles of the NetMundial Sai Paulo Declaration.
> 
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140510_pingo_net_mundial_adopts_principles_on_internet_governance/
> 
> wolfgang


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