[governance] Finding IGC voice... again, on NETMundial and beyond.
Mawaki Chango
kichango at gmail.com
Wed Mar 5 04:09:55 EST 2014
Milton,
[Note: Sorry for duplication. I thought your original post was sent to both
the IGC list and the 1net list and wanted also to reply to both lists but
it was apparently sent only to the latter list. So for IGC I am posting my
comments and questions in this thread as we are here considering your
proposal as a potential reference in possible IGC statement for the
NETmundial. Your quick response to the following as well as to the previous
question (both of which are connected at some point) would be appreciated.
Again, sorry for any confusion.]
Thank you and Brenden for putting together this innovative attempt to
solving the challenges of the evolving institutional field for Internet
governance, and for sharing it. I have two points about your proposal.
First, it is not clear to me how combining the IANA functions (which your
proposal define as clerical) with the Root Zone Maintainer functions (which
I would think are technical, with no more decision making power than the
IANA functions) in a new entity provides that entity with the authority you
seem to be giving it.
Indeed, it sounds like you're proposing to end the _political_ oversight
from USG by replacing it with the industry (DNSA) oversight. You say the
existence of a contract between ICANN and the DNSA provides check and
balance to ICANN and that other entities may even compete to replace ICANN
if that contract were to (as it could) be made renewable every 5 years for
instance, etc. In other words, this contract doesn't seem like a contract
between peer organizations with each just having specific different roles
toward the other, but a contract between a principal and an agent, or in
any case between an entity that has (a higher) authority over the other
since the former can put an end to the raison d'etre of the latter and give
it away to a competitor.
While I understand the incentive-based rationale for the membership of the
DNSA, I fail to see where you make the case for such larger authority as
you attribute to it, again merely by combining the IANA functions with the
Root Zone Maintainer functions. What is the source of the DNSA authority
which makes it competent to exercise an oversight that matches the previous
political oversight (since removing the term "political" from "oversight"
doesn't seem to narrow it to only the clerical and technical roles DNSA is
supposed to carry out in the new governance structure) and competent to
decide to grant or not to grant ICANN its contract?
I think clarifying this will also help resolve the question as to whether
political considerations (in the larger sense of political) need to be
brought to bear in deciding who should be part of the DNSA - which can be a
decisive factor for the success or failure of this proposal.
My second point is much shorter and concerns your reference to a treaty, at
last twice. I don't seem to find anywhere in the text an explanation about
what the purpose of a treaty would be within the framework of this
proposal. Would you mind elaborate on that?
Thanks,
Mawaki
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Norbert Klein <nhklein at gmx.net> wrote:
> +1
>
> ..."democratic and equitable representation across world regions"...
>
> Norbert Klein
> in Cambodia
>
>
>
>
> On 3/5/2014 2:10 AM, Mawaki Chango wrote:
>
> Milton,
>
> How would you address the challenge of democratic (assuming you agree
> that this is or may be applicable here) and equitable representation across
> world regions within the framework or under the fundamental principle of
> the solution you and Brenden are proposing in that paper?
>
> From my experience, there is no denying that minorities are or feel even
> more isolated in a setting when the elements that define the delineation
> between (a large) majority and (a small) minority prominently albeit
> silently or de facto include culture.
>
> Mawaki
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:49 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>wrote:
>
>>
>> On the other hand, my organisations and 45 others had suggested a
>> Technical Oversight Board which will consist of 2-3 persons from each geo-
>> political region, these people being from key technical academic
>> institutions, and a method selection/ election from among possible
>> candidates from each region could be devised... Plus, one member from each
>> region could come from the respective RIR...
>>
>> This is a much more democratic spread then getting root operators as
>> ICANN's overseers (an overwhelming number from the US, and all from
>> developed countries) , or even TLD operators, who are mostly from the US,
>> apart from the root operator/ TLD owners proposal suffering from the
>> problem of those regulated overseeing the regulators....
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday 04 March 2014 06:06 AM, parminder at itforchange.net wrote:
>>
>> I do think it's worth having a bullet on the IANA issue
>> --internalization/
>> internationalization/ globalization-- as part of an IGC submission.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>> There are two proposals on the table: Ian's, which would strengthen
>> ICANN
>> by simply giving it control of IANA, and the IGP proposal, which takes
>> IANA
>> out of ICANN and makes it an independent entity controlled by all the
>> world's TLD registries and root server operators.
>>
>> At the very least, a statement from IGC could reference both proposals
>> as
>> something worth considering.
>>
>> This sounds to me like a good compromise under the current time
>> constraints.
>>
>> I am unable to agree to a model where those who are supposed to be
>> regulated supervise the regulators.... .(next, telcos supervise FCC and
>> such telecom regulators!?) I would even call it weird.
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>> Preferably, however, we should have a substantive discussion about the
>> merits of either approach.
>>
>>
>> Do you mean by the March 8th deadline? Otherwise we may certainly have
>> this
>> discussion not only for a possible oral contribution during Sao Paulo
>> proceedings but also for potential input in further processes beyond Sao
>> Paulo (I'm sure the NETMundial will net be the end of all this search for
>> the future of Ig.)
>>
>> Mawaki
>>
>>
>>
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