[governance] Vint Cerf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process

Thu Jul 24 19:58:23 EDT 2014

On 24 Jul 2014, at 11:24 pm, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:
> While I find your reading clearly substantiated by the content of the material, I just wonder what those people who regularly lambaste the use of the terms/qualifiers "democratic" and "international" in this context would now say to Cerf about him referring to an "international multistakeholder community" (2:12) and an "even more democratic framework" (2:22). 

+1

Paul.

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> As for me, nations first are peoples -- and that is implied in the terminology of the name "United Nations" as much as their decision-making procedures were designed mainly to be States-based because of what was conceivable at the historical moment the UN was constituted. But "international" does not have to mean "intergovernmental" -- or at least not that preeminently, much less exclusively. And why would anything "more democratic" be rejected or fought against by civil society?? So on those two specific points I'd oddly agree more with Google's Internet Evangelist than with some CS members here ;)  
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> Mawaki
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> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:59 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> (With Vint Cerf's name spell corrected. Apologies.)
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> Posting below a relevant exchange on the ISOC list. In the video linked to below, Vint mentiones how the US has now decided to hand over its IANA authority to ICANN! 
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> On Thursday 24 July 2014 04:01 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:
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>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3dH90tdhk#t=101
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>> "and hand over that responsibilty to ICANN"
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>> Is that really a foregone conclusion?
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> Yes, it is a forgone conclusion. Although it will be arrived at through a convoluted path to give the pretence that it is the global public that wants it this way. A 'global public' conveniently re-christened as 'global multistakeholder community' to give some credence to the mentioned captive 'convoluted path' to arrive at this forgone conclusion. 'Public' you know is a dangerous word. You cant be sure who all can turn up in the name of 'public' and begin making what kinds of demands! 'Multistakeholder community' is a much more controllable political space/ concept. 
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> Sorry for the cynical sounding statement, but each element of the IANA transition (non) puzzle points to this elementary fact. If asked, I can elaborate. I am not doing so right away because I think it is just too obvious..
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> parminder 
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> On Thursday 24 July 2014 06:28 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>> Vint Cerf video on the ICANN transition.
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>> --srs (iPad)
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>>> From: "Dave Farber via ip" <ip at listbox.com>
>>> Date: 24 July 2014 2:41:35 IST
>>> To: "ip" <ip at listbox.com>
>>> Subject: [IP] Who manages the Internet's address book?
>>> Reply-To: dave at farber.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Charley Kline <csk at mail.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2014
>>> Subject: FW: Who manages the Internet's address book?
>>> To: Dave Farber <dave at farber.net>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For those who didn’t get this directly from Google, Vint Cerf summarizes the transition of ICANN.
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>>> From: Vint Cerf [mailto:no-reply at takeaction.withgoogle.com] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:02 PM
>>> To: Charley Kline
>>> Subject: Who manages the Internet's address book?
>>> 
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>>> 
>>>  
>>> Hi Charley,
>>> 
>>> People call me a father of the Internet, since I helped create it 40 years ago. I know lots of people over-share about their kids, but I hope you don't mind one more.
>>> 
>>> Watch this video I made about the Internet and how it's governed. I think you'll find it worth a few moments.
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>>> There's been some confusion lately about changes to Internet governance and how it affects us all. I figure it's my responsibility to set the record straight. After all, no one wants people mixing up the facts about their kid.
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>>> Check it out. And if you enjoy my video, why not use the Internet to share it with friends near and far?
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>>> https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/us/vint-video
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Vint Cerf
>>> Chief Internet Evangelist, Google
>>> 
>>> 
>>> P.S. Shameless plug: I was on "The Colbert Report" last week — and it was pretty awesome. Click here to watch, if you haven't already.
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>>> © 2014 Google Inc. 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA
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