[governance] Nomination of Parminder

[Ian Peter]

I was also present.

Yes, Parminder’s account is accurate.

But what Parminder doesnt mention (to his credit) is the details of the action which provoked his anger. And, as there is enough hate on this list already, that is perhaps the way things should remain. I can only add that what was said to Parminder which immediately preceded this incident was deeply insulting, totally inappropriate, and if it had been said to me I would have been angry as well and would have left the meeting in protest (and indeed I did leave the meeting with many others)

All this immediately preceded the Avri incident. I do understand why Avri felt threatened – loud voices and finger pointing can feel like that, and yes I do believe it was inappropriate. But I also understand what made Parminder extremely angry. 

Enough said. I think it is time to drop all complaints and appeals about these incidents and move on.  Both Avri and Parminder have a right to feel insulted by the events that took place. 

I would like to think we could apply Chairman Mao’s distinction between “quarrels between the people, and quarrels between the people and the enemies of the people” here, and realise these incidents are definitely in the former category, and move on. There are some more important issues to address and some great challenges for us in coming months. I personally regard both Avri and Parminder as valuable members of civil society with much to contribute here, and I hope we can return to a situation where we can continue to work together for the common good. 



Ian Peter





From: Deirdre Williams 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:44 AM
To: Internet Governance ; Jeremy Malcolm 
Cc: Suresh Ramasubramanian ; Norbert Bollow ; David Conrad ; McTim 
Subject: Re: [governance] Nomination of Parminder

I arrived after the meeting had started - Carlos and I arrived together. Like Jeremy I stayed until the meeting ended. I was present for the incident under discussion. I agree with Jeremy that Parminder's account of what happened is accurate. I also agree that the tone of the meeting at that point was extremely unpleasant. 
Deirdre



On 9 January 2014 10:17, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:

  On 9 Jan 2014, at 10:06 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:

  > Which still does not explain why several people other than Avri walked out of the meeting.
  >
  > As McTim says this issue remains open - and I would appreciate hearing from others who were present.
  >
  > The minutes of this meeting remain carefully non committal as to detail.


  I was present and indeed I remained in the room throughout, after some others had left.  Parminder's account of the meeting is accurate.  In saying this, I do not doubt Avri in saying that she felt physically threatened - because that atmosphere was, indeed, heated - but neither do I doubt Parminder's assurance that he had no intent to make her to feel that way.

  Can we move on?


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