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<DIV>I was also present.</DIV>
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<DIV>Yes, Parminder’s account is accurate.</DIV>
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<DIV>But what Parminder doesnt mention (to his credit) is the details of the
action which provoked his anger. And, as there is enough hate on this list
already, that is perhaps the way things should remain. I can only add that what
was said to Parminder which immediately preceded this incident was deeply
insulting, totally inappropriate, and if it had been said to me I would have
been angry as well and would have left the meeting in protest (and indeed I did
leave the meeting with many others)</DIV>
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<DIV>All this immediately preceded the Avri incident. I do understand why Avri
felt threatened – loud voices and finger pointing can feel like that, and yes I
do believe it was inappropriate. But I also understand what made Parminder
extremely angry. </DIV>
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<DIV>Enough said. I think it is time to drop all complaints and appeals about
these incidents and move on. Both Avri and Parminder have a right to feel
insulted by the events that took place. </DIV>
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<DIV>I would like to think we could apply Chairman Mao’s distinction between
“quarrels between the people, and quarrels between the people and the enemies of
the people” here, and realise these incidents are definitely in the former
category, and move on. There are some more important issues to address and some
great challenges for us in coming months. I personally regard both Avri and
Parminder as valuable members of civil society with much to contribute here, and
I hope we can return to a situation where we can continue to work together for
the common good. </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=williams.deirdre@gmail.com
href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com">Deirdre Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 10, 2014 1:44 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">Internet Governance</A> ; <A
title=jeremy@ciroap.org href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">Jeremy Malcolm</A>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=suresh@hserus.net
href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">Suresh Ramasubramanian</A> ; <A
title=nb@bollow.ch href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">Norbert Bollow</A> ; <A
title=drc@virtualized.org href="mailto:drc@virtualized.org">David Conrad</A> ;
<A title=dogwallah@gmail.com href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">McTim</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] Nomination of Parminder</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>I arrived after the meeting had started - Carlos and I arrived
together. Like Jeremy I stayed until the meeting ended. I was present for the
incident under discussion. I agree with Jeremy that Parminder's account of what
happened is accurate. I also agree that the tone of the meeting at that point
was extremely unpleasant.
<DIV>Deirdre</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 9 January 2014 10:17, Jeremy Malcolm <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org"
target=_blank>jeremy@ciroap.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=im>On 9 Jan 2014, at 10:06 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<A
href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>>
Which still does not explain why several people other than Avri walked out of
the meeting.<BR>><BR>> As McTim says this issue remains open - and I
would appreciate hearing from others who were present.<BR>><BR>> The
minutes of this meeting remain carefully non committal as to
detail.<BR><BR></DIV>I was present and indeed I remained in the room
throughout, after some others had left. Parminder's account of the
meeting is accurate. In saying this, I do not doubt Avri in saying that
she felt physically threatened - because that atmosphere was, indeed, heated -
but neither do I doubt Parminder's assurance that he had no intent to make her
to feel that way.<BR><BR>Can we move on?<BR>
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