[governance] Fwd: [cs-coord] Civil Society Speakers for IGF Closing Ceremony

Hindenburgo Pires hindenburgo at gmail.com
Wed Aug 27 21:02:14 EDT 2014 

I agree with Jean-Christophe Nothias! +1
It's time to change, please no more multistakeholder blabla!
Give a chance an other multivocality.


2014-08-27 21:55 GMT-03:00 Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>:

> agree, sort of - but Milton, having represented my day job in industry
> associations before, I can assure you that consensus plays just as large a
> role there.
>
> There is a lot more cohesion though, mostly from a perception that
> everybody is on the same side and with shared interests, which this caucus
> sorely lacks from what I can see.
>
> So yes, please do present your own positions. I find myself agreeing with
> them more often than not, these days :)
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> > On 28-Aug-2014, at 0:38, Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org> wrote:
> >
> > Milton,
> >
> > Very well said. I wholeheartedly and without reservation trust your
> judgement on this.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> A few words about the broader issues related to speaker selection:
> >>
> >> In a group as large and diverse as this, any speaker who does not make
> any one of us just a little bit uncomfortable is probably not saying
> anything meaningful or worthwhile. This is one of the reasons IGF as a
> whole is perilously close to being broken; there are too many lowest common
> denominator filtering mechanisms that prevent anything challenging from
> being said or done, especially in main sessions.
> >>
> >> The idea that any speaker would speak for all of civil society, much
> less every individual on this list,  is not just an impossible standard; to
> my mind it reflects a misunderstanding of what civil society is supposed to
> be and to do in these environments. We are the free and diverse elements of
> the governance institution; we are supposed to reflect new and challenging
> ideas, not to conform or be acceptable. There is not now and never will be
> a "peak association" that speaks for all of us as if we were a trade
> association of oil producers or farmers.
> >>
> >> I have 15 years of history in fighting for an institutionalized
> presence for civil society in Internet governance institutions; I was there
> when IGF was created and played a role shaping its initial consultations.
> Throughout that process I've helped to provide representation, speaking
> platforms and even funding to many people I don't agree with wholly, but am
> willing to fight for their right to be heard. As a scholar and writer I've
> taken a number of well-considered positions and performed analyses of key
> issues. I suspect that the committee chose me for those reasons.
> >>
> >> Drawing on that experience, and these perspectives, I will say what I
> believe needs to be said in the context of the IGF closing.
> >>
> >> Milton L Mueller
> >> Laura J and L. Douglas Meredith Professor
> >> Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> >> http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:43 AM
> >>> To: Jean-Christophe Nothias
> >>> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter; Milton L Mueller; Mawaki
> >>> Chango
> >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [cs-coord] Civil Society Speakers for
> IGF
> >>> Closing Ceremony
> >>>
> >>> Jean-Christophe Nothias [27/08/14 10:31 +0200]:
> >>>> "...opinions are, rightly, excluded..."
> >>>> That must reflect on your highly democratic conception of an open
> debate.
> >>>> To exclude rightly is usually part of the extreme right parties
> narrative.
> >>>> Weren't you a multistakeholder equal footing blabla model advocate?
> >>>
> >>> Let us put it this way -
> >>>
> >>> Personally, I am a centrist. I disagree with the extreme left just as
> much as I
> >>> do the extreme right.
> >>>
> >>> In this case, I am a believer in a consensus, which in this case,
> forms a bell
> >>> curve from which the tail has, necessarily, to be excluded in order to
> get a
> >>> sense of what the vast majority of the group wants.
> >>
> >>
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