[governance] Re: [bestbits] [letter to Dilma Rousseff] merging threads from IGC and BB
Suresh Ramasubramanian
suresh at hserus.net
Wed Sep 25 17:55:47 EDT 2013
Agreed
--srs (htc one x)
On 25 September 2013 10:52:12 PM Diego Rafael Canabarro
<diegocanabarro at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Carolina <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Agree
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Diego, as you, and others, might not be at bestbits list, let me mention
> > that this issue about the letter has been debated on both lists. So lets
> > merge the threads here and change the tone of the letter so it can be
> > inclusive of all the international civil society organizations and
> > individuals, ok?
> >
> > Fundamental guidelines for moving forward:
> >
> > Bearing in mind the points raised by Anja and other folks on the issue of
> > multistakeholderism, I would suggest that particularly with the goal not to
> > undermine the positive aspect of Dilma's speech, and the impacts on the
> > national scenario, we hear to Carlos Afonso's wise (insider) suggestion and
> > mention this critical topic in a positive manner as well:
> >
> > "My IMHO advice: let us not be black-and-white on this. Let us think of
> > the ways in which we can build bridges. Rousseff has opened a wonderful
> > window of opportunity, let us not just dismiss it because there is that
> > "12-letter word" in her statement."
> >
> > The link again:
> > https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil
> >
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > joana
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Diego Rafael Canabarro <
> > diegocanabarro at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I started a pad. Helpers, please help. Haters, please keep off.
> >>
> >> https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Anja Kovacs
> <anja at internetdemocracy.in>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Would it perhaps be possible then to ask her as part of the statement to
> >>> clarify her stance on the global model which she preposes, in particular
> >>> with regard to the involvement of stakeholders other than the government?
> >>> By linking this up with her obvious support of the Brazilian domestic
> >>> model, this could perhaps be done in a way that asks the question without
> >>> undoing any of the fabulousness of her speech.
> >>>
> >>> As I noted on another list, my aim is not to dismiss Dilma's
> >>> intervention, but to ensure that we do not come up with a statement that
> >>> puts many of us in a very difficult position vis-a-vis our own governments
> >>> inthe ongoing negotiations on the best model of global Internet governance.
> >>> This is especially true in contexts such as India where
> >>> multistakeholderism, though making progress, is far from as established as
> >>> it is in Brazil and in fact continues to be extremely fragile.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and best,
> >>> Anja
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 25 September 2013 21:47, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I would not like to take on this task since I am deeply involved here
> >>>> and might introduce bias which would delay approval by our flock -- this
> >>>> needs to be from the international civil society community.
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be *extremely important* to have it ready by tomorrow late
> >>>> night (it can be very late in the night -- I am not really sleeping
> >>>> these days) Brazilian time so I can print it and try and deliver it to
> >>>> the Presidenta's hands (or her closest advisors).
> >>>>
> >>>> fraternal regards
> >>>>
> >>>> --c.a.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 09/25/2013 11:52 AM, Diego Rafael Canabarro wrote:
> >>>> > I believe that Carolina (Rossini), Joana (Varon) and Marilia Maciel
> >>>> > could (should) be part of the task-force. : )
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> >>>> > <suresh at hserus.net <mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Carlos and Diego could take the lead on this one, with other
> >>>> > brazilian colleagues more directly involved in Marco civil than
> >>>> we are
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I am happy to sign on to a suitable statement
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --srs (htc one x)
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 25 September 2013 7:50:34 PM parminder __ wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If such is the range of support, lets write a statement
> >>>> supporting
> >>>> >> Dilma's very important speech, and commend her/ Brazil on it (as
> >>>> >> also suggested on another list)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> parminder
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Wednesday 25 September 2013 06:05 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>> In which case she has delivered a ringing endorsement of
> >>>> >>> values near and dear to civil society.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> --srs (iPad)
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> On 24-Sep-2013, at 22:22, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca>
> >>>> <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> Yes, I was one of the ones who talked to her just before she
> >>>> travelled
> >>>> >>>> to the Evil Empire. This is the meaning.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> The best part was her firm and clear defense of net neutrality
> >>>> (not even
> >>>> >>>> aunt Neelie dares so much). A tremendous cold shower on the
> >>>> >>>> transnational telco cartel in Brazil, and a renewed hope Marco
> >>>> Civil
> >>>> >>>> could be approved as we dream it should.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> fraternal regards
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> --c.a.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>> On 09/24/2013 01:33 PM, Jean Paul NKURUNZIZA wrote:
> >>>> >>>>> Dear Raphael,
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> You are right.
> >>>> >>>>> I was asking myself if she didn't use "Multilateral" by
> >>>> error. Did she want
> >>>> >>>>> to talk "Multistakeholder".
> >>>> >>>>> If I consider this paragraph for instance :
> >>>> >>>>> "2 - Open, multilateral and democratic governance, carried
> >>>> out with transparency by stimulating
> >>>> >>>>> collective creativity and the participation of society,
> >>>> Governments and the
> >>>> >>>>> private sector."
> >>>> >>>>> If the word "Society"is meant to mean "Civil Society", then I
> >>>> suppose she
> >>>> >>>>> wanted to mean "Multistakeholder"
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Regards
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> NKURUNZIZA Jean Paul
> >>>> >>>>> TRAINER IN COMPUTING AND INTERNET POLICY
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> ISOC BURUNDI : VICE PRESIDENT
> >>>> >>>>> Réseau des Télécentres Communautaires du Burundi : Président
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Burundi Youth Training Centre : Secrétaire Général
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Skype : jpnkurunziz
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Facebook : http://www.facebook.com/jeanpaul.nkurunziza
> >>>> >>>>> Tel : +257 79 981459 <tel:%2B257%2079%20981459>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>> >>>>> De : Diego Rafael Canabarro <diegocanabarro at gmail.com>
> >>>> <mailto:diegocanabarro at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>> À : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <mailto:
> >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> >>>> >>>>> <governance at lists.igcaucus.org> <mailto:
> >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
> >>>> >>>>> Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> <mailto:
> >>>> carolina.rossini at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Envoyé le : Mardi 24 septembre 2013 18h17
> >>>> >>>>> Objet : Re: [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Three mentions to "multilateral".
> >>>> >>>>> No mention to "multistakeholder".
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> >>>
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