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<p>Agreed </p>
<p>--srs (htc one x)<br>
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<p>On 25 September 2013 10:52:12 PM Diego Rafael Canabarro
<diegocanabarro@gmail.com> wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">+1<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div
class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Carolina <span
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com"
target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div
dir="auto"><div>Agree<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div
class="h5"><div><br>On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Joana Varon <<a
href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com"
target="_blank">joana@varonferraz.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Diego, as
you, and others, might not be at bestbits list, let me mention that this
issue about the letter has been debated on both lists. So lets merge the
threads here and change the tone of the letter so it can be inclusive of
all the international civil society organizations and individuals, ok?<br>
<br></div>Fundamental guidelines for moving forward:<br><br>Bearing in mind
the points raised by Anja and other folks on the issue of
multistakeholderism, I would suggest that particularly with the goal not to
undermine the positive aspect of Dilma's speech, and the impacts on the
national scenario, we hear to Carlos Afonso's wise (insider) suggestion
and mention this critical topic in a positive manner as well:<br>
<br><div><span>"My IMHO advice: let us not be black-and-white on this.
Let us think of the ways in which we can build bridges. Rousseff has opened
a wonderful window of opportunity, let us not just dismiss it because there
is that "12-letter word" in her statement."</span></div>
<br></div>The link again:<br><a
href="https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil"
target="_blank">https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil</a><br><br><div><br></div><div
class="gmail_extra">cheers<br><br>joana<br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 25, 2013
at 6:56 PM, Diego Rafael Canabarro <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com"
target="_blank">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div
dir="ltr">I started a pad. Helpers, please help. Haters, please keep
off.<br><br><a href="https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil"
target="_blank">https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil</a><br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Anja
Kovacs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in"
target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>></span>
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>Would it perhaps be possible then to ask her as part of
the statement to clarify her stance on the global model which she preposes,
in particular with regard to the involvement of stakeholders other than the
government? By linking this up with her obvious support of the Brazilian
domestic model, this could perhaps be done in a way that asks the question
without undoing any of the fabulousness of her speech. <br>
<br>As I noted on another list, my aim is not to dismiss Dilma's
intervention, but to ensure that we do
not come up with a statement that puts many of us in a very difficult
position vis-a-vis our own governments inthe ongoing negotiations on the
best model of global Internet governance. This is especially true in
contexts such as India where multistakeholderism, though making
progress, is far from as established as it is in Brazil and in fact
continues to be extremely fragile. <br><br></div>Thanks and
best,<br>Anja<br><div>
<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div
class="gmail_quote">On 25 September 2013 21:47, Carlos A. Afonso <span
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"
target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I
would not like to take on this task since I am deeply involved here<br>
and might introduce bias which would delay approval by our flock -- this<br>
needs to be from the international civil society community.<br>
<br>
It would be *extremely important* to have it ready by tomorrow late<br>
night (it can be very late in the night -- I am not really sleeping<br>
these days) Brazilian time so I can print it and try and deliver it to<br>
the Presidenta's hands (or her closest advisors).<br>
<br>
fraternal regards<br>
<br>
--c.a.<br>
<div><br>
On 09/25/2013 11:52 AM, Diego Rafael Canabarro wrote:<br>
> I believe that Carolina (Rossini), Joana (Varon) and Marilia Maciel<br>
> could (should) be part of the task-force. : )<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian<br>
</div><div>> <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"
target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"
target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Carlos and Diego could take the lead on this one, with other<br>
> brazilian colleagues more directly involved in Marco civil than we
are<br>
><br>
> I am happy to sign on to a suitable statement<br>
><br>
> --srs (htc one x)<br>
><br>
</div><div>> On 25 September 2013 7:50:34 PM parminder __ wrote:<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> If such is the range of support, lets write a statement
supporting<br>
>> Dilma's very important speech, and commend her/ Brazil on
it (as<br>
>> also suggested on another list)<br>
>><br>
>> parminder<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wednesday 25 September 2013 06:05 AM, Suresh
Ramasubramanian wrote:<br>
>>> In which case she has delivered a ringing endorsement of<br>
>>> values near and dear to civil society.<br>
>>><br>
>>> --srs (iPad)<br>
>>><br>
</div><div><div>>>>> On 24-Sep-2013, at 22:22, "Carlos
A. Afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"
target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Yes, I was one of the ones who talked to her just
before she travelled<br>
>>>> to the Evil Empire. This is the meaning.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The best part was her firm and clear defense of net
neutrality (not even<br>
>>>> aunt Neelie dares so much). A tremendous cold shower
on the<br>
>>>> transnational telco cartel in Brazil, and a renewed
hope Marco Civil<br>
>>>> could be approved as we dream it should.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> fraternal regards<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --c.a.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> On 09/24/2013 01:33 PM, Jean Paul NKURUNZIZA
wrote:<br>
>>>>> Dear Raphael,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> You are right.<br>
>>>>> I was asking myself if she didn't use
"Multilateral" by error. Did she want<br>
>>>>> to talk "Multistakeholder".<br>
>>>>> If I consider this paragraph for instance :<br>
>>>>> "2 - Open, multilateral and democratic
governance, carried out with transparency by stimulating<br>
>>>>> collective creativity and the participation of
society, Governments and the<br>
>>>>> private sector."<br>
>>>>> If the word "Society"is meant to mean
"Civil Society", then I suppose she<br>
>>>>> wanted to mean "Multistakeholder"<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Regards<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> NKURUNZIZA Jean Paul<br>
>>>>> TRAINER IN COMPUTING AND INTERNET POLICY<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ISOC BURUNDI : VICE PRESIDENT<br>
>>>>> Réseau des Télécentres Communautaires du Burundi :
Président<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Burundi Youth Training Centre : Secrétaire Général<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Skype : jpnkurunziz<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Facebook : <a
href="http://www.facebook.com/jeanpaul.nkurunziza"
target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/jeanpaul.nkurunziza</a><br>
</div></div>>>>>> Tel : <a
href="tel:%2B257%2079%20981459" value="+25779981459" target="_blank">+257
79 981459</a> <tel:%2B257%2079%20981459><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ________________________________<br>
>>>>> De : Diego Rafael Canabarro <<a
href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com"
target="_blank">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com"
target="_blank">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>> À : "<a
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <mailto:<a
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>><br>
>>>>> <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>;<br>
>>>>> Carolina Rossini <<a
href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com"
target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com"
target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>><br>
<div>>>>>><br>
>>>>> Envoyé le : Mardi 24 septembre 2013 18h17<br>
>>>>> Objet : Re: [governance] Dilma Rousseff's
speech at UN<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Three mentions to "multilateral".<br>
>>>>> No mention to "multistakeholder".<br>
>>>>>
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