[governance] Re: [bestbits] [letter to Dilma Rousseff] merging threads from IGC and BB
Diego Rafael Canabarro
diegocanabarro at gmail.com
Wed Sep 25 13:22:12 EDT 2013
+1
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Carolina <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>wrote:
> Agree
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com> wrote:
>
> Diego, as you, and others, might not be at bestbits list, let me mention
> that this issue about the letter has been debated on both lists. So lets
> merge the threads here and change the tone of the letter so it can be
> inclusive of all the international civil society organizations and
> individuals, ok?
>
> Fundamental guidelines for moving forward:
>
> Bearing in mind the points raised by Anja and other folks on the issue of
> multistakeholderism, I would suggest that particularly with the goal not to
> undermine the positive aspect of Dilma's speech, and the impacts on the
> national scenario, we hear to Carlos Afonso's wise (insider) suggestion and
> mention this critical topic in a positive manner as well:
>
> "My IMHO advice: let us not be black-and-white on this. Let us think of
> the ways in which we can build bridges. Rousseff has opened a wonderful
> window of opportunity, let us not just dismiss it because there is that
> "12-letter word" in her statement."
>
> The link again:
> https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil
>
>
> cheers
>
> joana
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Diego Rafael Canabarro <
> diegocanabarro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I started a pad. Helpers, please help. Haters, please keep off.
>>
>> https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Anja Kovacs <anja at internetdemocracy.in>wrote:
>>
>>> Would it perhaps be possible then to ask her as part of the statement to
>>> clarify her stance on the global model which she preposes, in particular
>>> with regard to the involvement of stakeholders other than the government?
>>> By linking this up with her obvious support of the Brazilian domestic
>>> model, this could perhaps be done in a way that asks the question without
>>> undoing any of the fabulousness of her speech.
>>>
>>> As I noted on another list, my aim is not to dismiss Dilma's
>>> intervention, but to ensure that we do not come up with a statement that
>>> puts many of us in a very difficult position vis-a-vis our own governments
>>> inthe ongoing negotiations on the best model of global Internet governance.
>>> This is especially true in contexts such as India where
>>> multistakeholderism, though making progress, is far from as established as
>>> it is in Brazil and in fact continues to be extremely fragile.
>>>
>>> Thanks and best,
>>> Anja
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 September 2013 21:47, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would not like to take on this task since I am deeply involved here
>>>> and might introduce bias which would delay approval by our flock -- this
>>>> needs to be from the international civil society community.
>>>>
>>>> It would be *extremely important* to have it ready by tomorrow late
>>>> night (it can be very late in the night -- I am not really sleeping
>>>> these days) Brazilian time so I can print it and try and deliver it to
>>>> the Presidenta's hands (or her closest advisors).
>>>>
>>>> fraternal regards
>>>>
>>>> --c.a.
>>>>
>>>> On 09/25/2013 11:52 AM, Diego Rafael Canabarro wrote:
>>>> > I believe that Carolina (Rossini), Joana (Varon) and Marilia Maciel
>>>> > could (should) be part of the task-force. : )
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
>>>> > <suresh at hserus.net <mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Carlos and Diego could take the lead on this one, with other
>>>> > brazilian colleagues more directly involved in Marco civil than
>>>> we are
>>>> >
>>>> > I am happy to sign on to a suitable statement
>>>> >
>>>> > --srs (htc one x)
>>>> >
>>>> > On 25 September 2013 7:50:34 PM parminder __ wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If such is the range of support, lets write a statement
>>>> supporting
>>>> >> Dilma's very important speech, and commend her/ Brazil on it (as
>>>> >> also suggested on another list)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> parminder
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wednesday 25 September 2013 06:05 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> In which case she has delivered a ringing endorsement of
>>>> >>> values near and dear to civil society.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --srs (iPad)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On 24-Sep-2013, at 22:22, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca>
>>>> <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Yes, I was one of the ones who talked to her just before she
>>>> travelled
>>>> >>>> to the Evil Empire. This is the meaning.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> The best part was her firm and clear defense of net neutrality
>>>> (not even
>>>> >>>> aunt Neelie dares so much). A tremendous cold shower on the
>>>> >>>> transnational telco cartel in Brazil, and a renewed hope Marco
>>>> Civil
>>>> >>>> could be approved as we dream it should.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> fraternal regards
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> --c.a.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 09/24/2013 01:33 PM, Jean Paul NKURUNZIZA wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Dear Raphael,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> You are right.
>>>> >>>>> I was asking myself if she didn't use "Multilateral" by
>>>> error. Did she want
>>>> >>>>> to talk "Multistakeholder".
>>>> >>>>> If I consider this paragraph for instance :
>>>> >>>>> "2 - Open, multilateral and democratic governance, carried
>>>> out with transparency by stimulating
>>>> >>>>> collective creativity and the participation of society,
>>>> Governments and the
>>>> >>>>> private sector."
>>>> >>>>> If the word "Society"is meant to mean "Civil Society", then I
>>>> suppose she
>>>> >>>>> wanted to mean "Multistakeholder"
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Regards
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> NKURUNZIZA Jean Paul
>>>> >>>>> TRAINER IN COMPUTING AND INTERNET POLICY
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> ISOC BURUNDI : VICE PRESIDENT
>>>> >>>>> Réseau des Télécentres Communautaires du Burundi : Président
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Burundi Youth Training Centre : Secrétaire Général
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Skype : jpnkurunziz
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Facebook : http://www.facebook.com/jeanpaul.nkurunziza
>>>> >>>>> Tel : +257 79 981459 <tel:%2B257%2079%20981459>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> ________________________________
>>>> >>>>> De : Diego Rafael Canabarro <diegocanabarro at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:diegocanabarro at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> À : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <mailto:
>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>>>> >>>>> <governance at lists.igcaucus.org> <mailto:
>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
>>>> >>>>> Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> <mailto:
>>>> carolina.rossini at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Envoyé le : Mardi 24 septembre 2013 18h17
>>>> >>>>> Objet : Re: [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Three mentions to "multilateral".
>>>> >>>>> No mention to "multistakeholder".
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