[governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process

Sun Oct 13 20:43:23 EDT 2013

excellent point Lee. Well received.

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:

>  Sala,
>
> "ask for the scope of such a meeting and find out intended objectives" is
> I suggest wrong tone; cs is not a supplicant but a player which can help
> set the agenda and define the scope and objectives.
>
> But yes certainly learning more of current status of planning over a cup
> of coffee is a good move.
>
> Lee
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> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of Salanieta
> Tamanikaiwaimaro [salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:02 AM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Norbert Bollow
> *Cc:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; McTim; JFC Morfin; Anriette
> Esterhuysen; Ian Peter
>
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process
>
>   My personal view is to omit from credit neither organization nor
> nation. Civil society is already on record via the previous letter.
>
> We need to stick to alerting them of the need for inclusion and civil
> society participation. This will give is a neutral position. At this stage,
> civil society needs to be neutral until we are fully aware of the scope of
> such a meeting.
>
> What certainly needs to happen is that we need to ask for the scope of
> such a meeting and find out intended objectives. We could also secure a
> meeting in Brazil where we could discuss this informally over coffee in
> Bali.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 12, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> >
> > McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, JFC Morfin <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:
> >> [..]
> >> What I want is to speak the truth.
> >>
> >> As you yourself said above:
> >>
> >>> "It is exact that the summit was said to have been proposed by Fadi
> >>> and accepted by Dilma."
> >
> > Let's use language that credits both ICANN and Brazil for the
> > initiative, and which mentions the government of Brazil in the more
> > prominent first spot.
> >
> > Logically, saying “initiative of the government of Brazil and the
> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)” is exactly
> > as accurate as it is to put ICANN first, regardless of whose idea is
> > was initially.
> >
> > I think that there are several good reasons for mentioning the
> > government of Brazil first:
> >
> > * While the specific proposal of going forward by means of such an
> >  event has come from ICANN, overall what has set this whole thing in
> >  motion was the Brazilian president's speech at the UN GA.
> >
> > * We're writing to the Brazilian government, which is the party that
> >  we as civil society need to communicate to in order to get included.
> >  There is no risk of anyone from the ICANN side doing anything to lock
> >  anyone out from this process. If civil society gets locked out, that
> >  will be an action of government bureaucrats who either have unhealthy
> >  connections to telecom business people with a pre-Internet mindset, or
> >  who have a pre-Internet telecom mindset themselves. We're seeking to
> >  prevent this by writing to someone with the power to prevent this from
> >  happening. It is IMO only polite to mention the addressee's role in
> >  the initiative first. If the letter is perceived as impolite or
> >  even offensive, which could easily happen if a non-government entity
> >  is mentioned more prominently or more respectfully than the
> >  governmental addressee of the letter, that's certainly make it less
> >  likely to achieve our goal.
> >
> > * Ultimately what counts in moving this plan forward is the power
> >  to attract state actors to a high-level event. This power is in the
> >  hands of the Brazilian government. From this perspective, I think
> >  that the media reports are 100% accurate who put it as an initiative
> >  of the Brazilian president that she has decided to undertake on the
> >  basis of having informed herself well (which she did by means of
> >  talking with someone of great and widely recognized specific
> >  expertise in Internet governance).
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Norbert
> >
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