[governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process

Mon Oct 14 11:18:47 EDT 2013

IGC Folks -

I have view on IGC sending a letter or not (as I'm on this list primarily as a
informational resource to your efforts.)

With respect to planning efforts for the Brazil/ICANN Summit, I am not aware
of any activities at this time; if ARIN receives communications on same, I will
forward it to this list (or ask that it be sent here if not able to forward it myself.)

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

On Oct 13, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu<mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>> wrote:

Sala,

"ask for the scope of such a meeting and find out intended objectives" is I suggest wrong tone; cs is not a supplicant but a player which can help set the agenda and define the scope and objectives.

But yes certainly learning more of current status of planning over a cup of coffee is a good move.

Lee
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Subject: Re: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process

My personal view is to omit from credit neither organization nor nation. Civil society is already on record via the previous letter.

We need to stick to alerting them of the need for inclusion and civil society participation. This will give is a neutral position. At this stage, civil society needs to be neutral until we are fully aware of the scope of such a meeting.

What certainly needs to happen is that we need to ask for the scope of such a meeting and find out intended objectives. We could also secure a meeting in Brazil where we could discuss this informally over coffee in Bali.

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> On Oct 12, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch<mailto:nb at bollow.ch>> wrote:
>
> McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com<mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, JFC Morfin <jefsey at jefsey.com<mailto:jefsey at jefsey.com>> wrote:
>> [..]
>> What I want is to speak the truth.
>>
>> As you yourself said above:
>>
>>> "It is exact that the summit was said to have been proposed by Fadi
>>> and accepted by Dilma."
>
> Let's use language that credits both ICANN and Brazil for the
> initiative, and which mentions the government of Brazil in the more
> prominent first spot.
>
> Logically, saying “initiative of the government of Brazil and the
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)” is exactly
> as accurate as it is to put ICANN first, regardless of whose idea is
> was initially.
>
> I think that there are several good reasons for mentioning the
> government of Brazil first:
>
> * While the specific proposal of going forward by means of such an
>  event has come from ICANN, overall what has set this whole thing in
>  motion was the Brazilian president's speech at the UN GA.
>
> * We're writing to the Brazilian government, which is the party that
>  we as civil society need to communicate to in order to get included.
>  There is no risk of anyone from the ICANN side doing anything to lock
>  anyone out from this process. If civil society gets locked out, that
>  will be an action of government bureaucrats who either have unhealthy
>  connections to telecom business people with a pre-Internet mindset, or
>  who have a pre-Internet telecom mindset themselves. We're seeking to
>  prevent this by writing to someone with the power to prevent this from
>  happening. It is IMO only polite to mention the addressee's role in
>  the initiative first. If the letter is perceived as impolite or
>  even offensive, which could easily happen if a non-government entity
>  is mentioned more prominently or more respectfully than the
>  governmental addressee of the letter, that's certainly make it less
>  likely to achieve our goal.
>
> * Ultimately what counts in moving this plan forward is the power
>  to attract state actors to a high-level event. This power is in the
>  hands of the Brazilian government. From this perspective, I think
>  that the media reports are 100% accurate who put it as an initiative
>  of the Brazilian president that she has decided to undertake on the
>  basis of having informed herself well (which she did by means of
>  talking with someone of great and widely recognized specific
>  expertise in Internet governance).
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
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