<div dir="ltr">excellent point Lee. Well received.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Lee W McKnight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu" target="_blank">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="direction:ltr;font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sala,<br>
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"<font><span style="font-size:10pt">ask for the scope of such a meeting and find out intended objectives" is I suggest wrong tone; cs is not a supplicant but a player which can help set the agenda and define the scope and objectives.<br>
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But yes certainly learning more of current status of planning over a cup of coffee is a good move.<br>
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Lee<br>
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<div style="direction:ltr"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> [<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] on behalf of Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro [<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Norbert Bollow<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; McTim; JFC Morfin; Anriette Esterhuysen; Ian Peter<div class="im"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process<br>
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<div>My personal view is to omit from credit neither organization nor nation. Civil society is already on record via the previous letter.
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We need to stick to alerting them of the need for inclusion and civil society participation. This will give is a neutral position. At this stage, civil society needs to be neutral until we are fully aware of the scope of such a meeting.<br>
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What certainly needs to happen is that we need to ask for the scope of such a meeting and find out intended objectives. We could also secure a meeting in Brazil where we could discuss this informally over coffee in Bali.<br>
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> On Oct 12, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:<br>
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> McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, JFC Morfin <<a href="mailto:jefsey@jefsey.com" target="_blank">jefsey@jefsey.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> [..]<br>
>> What I want is to speak the truth.<br>
>> <br>
>> As you yourself said above:<br>
>> <br>
>>> "It is exact that the summit was said to have been proposed by Fadi<br>
>>> and accepted by Dilma."<br>
> <br>
> Let's use language that credits both ICANN and Brazil for the<br>
> initiative, and which mentions the government of Brazil in the more<br>
> prominent first spot. <br>
> <br>
> Logically, saying “initiative of the government of Brazil and the<br>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)” is exactly<br>
> as accurate as it is to put ICANN first, regardless of whose idea is<br>
> was initially.<br>
> <br>
> I think that there are several good reasons for mentioning the<br>
> government of Brazil first:<br>
> <br>
> * While the specific proposal of going forward by means of such an<br>
> event has come from ICANN, overall what has set this whole thing in<br>
> motion was the Brazilian president's speech at the UN GA.<br>
> <br>
> * We're writing to the Brazilian government, which is the party that<br>
> we as civil society need to communicate to in order to get included.<br>
> There is no risk of anyone from the ICANN side doing anything to lock<br>
> anyone out from this process. If civil society gets locked out, that<br>
> will be an action of government bureaucrats who either have unhealthy<br>
> connections to telecom business people with a pre-Internet mindset, or<br>
> who have a pre-Internet telecom mindset themselves. We're seeking to<br>
> prevent this by writing to someone with the power to prevent this from<br>
> happening. It is IMO only polite to mention the addressee's role in<br>
> the initiative first. If the letter is perceived as impolite or<br>
> even offensive, which could easily happen if a non-government entity<br>
> is mentioned more prominently or more respectfully than the<br>
> governmental addressee of the letter, that's certainly make it less<br>
> likely to achieve our goal.<br>
> <br>
> * Ultimately what counts in moving this plan forward is the power<br>
> to attract state actors to a high-level event. This power is in the<br>
> hands of the Brazilian government. From this perspective, I think<br>
> that the media reports are 100% accurate who put it as an initiative<br>
> of the Brazilian president that she has decided to undertake on the<br>
> basis of having informed herself well (which she did by means of<br>
> talking with someone of great and widely recognized specific<br>
> expertise in Internet governance).<br>
> <br>
> Greetings,<br>
> Norbert<br>
> <br>
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