[governance] "technical community fails at multistakeholderism". really?
Carlos A. Afonso
ca at cafonso.ca
Tue Oct 8 10:36:58 EDT 2013
If they meant that, why not say it so? Dilma was far more courageous... ;)
--c.a.
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C. A. Afonso
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From: Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>
Date: 08-10-2013 10:41 (GMT-03:00)
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca>
Cc: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>,Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
Subject: Re: [governance] "technical community fails at multistakeholderism". really?
Hi Carlos,
On Oct 8, 2013, at 10:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> This sentence is ambiguous: "They expressed strong concern over the undermining of the trust and confidence of Internet users globally due to recent revelations of pervasive monitoring
> and surveillance."
>
> It seems the "leaders" are more concerned by the revelations of surveillance than by surveillance itself.
>
Jari Arkko, IETF chair replied to something similar on the IETF discuss list:
>
> From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko at piuha.net>
> To: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at nic.fr>
> Cc: ietf at ietf.org
> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 02:05:09 +0300
> >
> > This wording is surprising. It looks like it is the revelations that
> > undermined confidence, and not the NSA actions. I would prefer
> > something like, to avoid shooting the messenger:
>
> Of course :-) We meant that the loss of privacy causes concern, not the revelations.
>
> Jari
>
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg82863.html
Adam
> --c.a.
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> C. A. Afonso
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> Date: 08-10-2013 02:51 (GMT-03:00)
> To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>,governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] "technical community fails at multistakeholderism". really?
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> Its interesting to contrast this article with the Montevideo statement
> released a little bit later from the technical community. As regards
> criticisms of current internet governance structures, the technical
> community added
>
> " The leaders discussed the clear need to continually strengthen and evolve
> these mechanisms, in truly substantial ways, to be able to address emerging
> issues faced by stakeholders in the Internet."
>
> Note "in truly substantial ways" - that's not accidental text, but a
> recognition that significant change must take place.
>
> Also note the main statements from Montevideo, which were
>
>
> * They reinforced the importance of globally coherent Internet operations,
> and warned against Internet fragmentation at a national level. They
> expressed strong concern over the undermining of the trust and confidence of
> Internet users globally due to recent revelations of pervasive monitoring
> and surveillance.
>
> *They identified the need for ongoing effort to address Internet Governance
> challenges, and agreed to catalyze community-wide efforts towards the
> evolution of global multistakeholder Internet cooperation.
>
> *They called for accelerating the globalization of ICANN and IANA functions,
> towards an environment in which all stakeholders, including all governments,
> participate on an equal footing.
>
> (there was also a statement re IPv6)
>
> I mention these in this context because there appears to be a lot of common
> ground with the technical community now as regards some of the big
> priorities that must be addressed, and from this statement also a
> recognition that they must improve current mechanisms "in truly substantial
> ways".
>
> That's good news! There are things that should be criticised in current
> structures, but there is a growing opportunity to work with the technical
> community to address some major points of agreement. I hope that in our
> discussions of the various viewpoints which legitimately are part of our
> thinking on current structures we do not lose the opportunity to work
> closely with the technical community on some over riding policy issues on
> which we have substantial agreement.
>
>
> Ian Peter
>
> .
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:33 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: [governance] "technical community fails at multistakeholderism".
> really?
>
> http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/how-the-technical-community-fails-at-multi-stakeholderism
>
> http://www.digitalnewsasia.com/insights/web-consortiums-failures-show-limits-of-self-regulation
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> forming a consensus that the usual splinter rump minority doesnt agree with
> emphatically does not constitute any sort of failure of multistakeholderism
>
> --srs
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