[governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] Webinar digest Brazil's role in IG & third issue of Digital Rights LAC

Thu Oct 3 06:54:02 EDT 2013

Which will not remove its inherent "good nature" shall we say.  If there is more bandwidth coming in, and local peering set up so that local traffic stays local instead of going through costly international links .. it makes good network engineering sense (more often than not, there are exceptions based on how cheap transit is vs local interconnection ..)

So let the marketers advertise it as they wish.  If brazilian people access content / websites / mail providers within brazil then their local data WILL stay local once the peering etc is in place.

If they use a provider hosted in the USA / subject to US law - well, they pay their money (or use the free service) and take it as a granted that their use of the service is subject to lawful intercept.  The part about international gateways being monitored does get obviated to some extent if local traffic stays local .. an international bandwidth submarine cable is not going to change anything about what happens / doesn't happen to locally routed traffic.

--srs (iPad)

> On 03-Oct-2013, at 16:19, Diego Rafael Canabarro <diegocanabarro at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That was exactly what Marilia and I tried to highlight: that from a sort of infrastructure-building (and also capacity-building) project, the cable has been purported as an attempt to "divorce" (SIC) Brazil from a "US-centric" (SIC) Internet. 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>> As it requires more than one government issued license and possibly also is a candidate to receive government subsidies, it gets advertised in whichever way is found to be politically expedient, I guess :) 
>> --srs (htc one x)
>>> On 3 October 2013 12:36:44 PM Anja Kovacs wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some interesting thoughts from Rick Falkvinge on the BRICS cable here:
>>> 
>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2013/09/logical-for-brics-countries-to-build-their-own-internet-infrastructure-circumventing-u-s-surveillance/
>>> 
>>> It's fascinating to see, however, how the cable is now being projected as a tool to circumvent US surveillance, while when it was first announced, the emphasis was on improved global coverage (especially better access for African countries) and better trade and development relations for BRICS countries. It may of course well be able to achieve all of these things, but it's interesting to see how those initially justifications now don't seem to be receiving too much (media) attention anymore.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anja
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 3 October 2013 10:48, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>>>> Hi Marilia,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for this report.
>>>> 
>>>> Couple of questions about the "BRICS cable".  First, why concern about fragmentation ("balkanization"), if I understand correctly the idea is not to propose a BRICS firewall, my email will still reach you etc, it's not a proposal to censor the net. I think this mis-guided and unhelpful to the proposal. Second, any detail of the cable: who will build, who are the partners (and has anyone looked at the telecom/appropriate law of potential partner countries?  Suspect we might not like what we find -- US and UK not alone in having bad law.)
>>>> 
>>>> Adam
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > Sorry for any duplication of this message.
>>>> >
>>>> > To all those that might be interested, I would like to share the summary and the recorded video of the debate "Is Brazil leading a new revolution in global digital policy?", which was co-organized by DiploFoundation and the Center for Technology and Society of FGV Rio de Janeiro. http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/webinar-digest-brazil-leading-new-revolution-global-digital-policy
>>>> >
>>>> > I also take the opportunity to share with you that the third issue of the Newsletter Digital Rights in Latin America and the Caribbean. This joint initiative from ADC, Fundación Karisma, Derechos Digitales and CTS/FGV is a very good source of information about key issues and emerging trends in the regional scenario. It is published in English, Spanish and Portuguese. http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en/
>>>> >
>>>> > Best wishes
>>>> >
>>>> > Marília
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Marília Maciel
>>>> > Pesquisadora Gestora
>>>> > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>> >
>>>> > Researcher and Coordinator
>>>> > Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>>> > http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>> >
>>>> > DiploFoundation associate
>>>> > www.diplomacy.edu
>>>> >
>>>> >
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