<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Which will not remove its inherent "good nature" shall we say. If there is more bandwidth coming in, and local peering set up so that local traffic stays local instead of going through costly international links .. it makes good network engineering sense (more often than not, there are exceptions based on how cheap transit is vs local interconnection ..)</div><div><br></div><div>So let the marketers advertise it as they wish. If brazilian people access content / websites / mail providers within brazil then their local data WILL stay local once the peering etc is in place.</div><div><br></div><div>If they use a provider hosted in the USA / subject to US law - well, they pay their money (or use the free service) and take it as a granted that their use of the service is subject to lawful intercept. The part about international gateways being monitored does get obviated to some extent if local traffic stays local .. an international bandwidth submarine cable is not going to change anything about what happens / doesn't happen to locally routed traffic.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 03-Oct-2013, at 16:19, Diego Rafael Canabarro <<a href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">That was exactly what Marilia and I tried to highlight: that from a sort of infrastructure-building (and also capacity-building) project, the cable has been purported as an attempt to "divorce" (SIC) Brazil from a "US-centric" (SIC) Internet. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p>As it requires more than one government issued license and possibly also
is a candidate to receive government subsidies, it gets advertised in
whichever way is found to be politically expedient, I guess :) <br>
--srs (htc one x)<br>
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<p>On 3 October 2013 12:36:44 PM Anja Kovacs <u></u>
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Some interesting thoughts from Rick Falkvinge on
the BRICS cable here:<br><br><a href="https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2013/09/logical-for-brics-countries-to-build-their-own-internet-infrastructure-circumventing-u-s-surveillance/" target="_blank">https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2013/09/logical-for-brics-countries-to-build-their-own-internet-infrastructure-circumventing-u-s-surveillance/</a><br>
<br></div>It's fascinating to see, however, how the cable is now being
projected as a tool to circumvent US surveillance, while when it was first
announced, the emphasis was on improved global coverage (especially better
access for African countries) and better trade and development relations
for BRICS countries. It may of course well be able to achieve all of these
things, but it's interesting to see how those initially justifications
now don't seem to be receiving too much (media) attention anymore.<br>
<br></div>Best,<br>Anja<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 October 2013 10:48, Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
Marilia,<br>
<br>
Thanks for this report.<br>
<br>
Couple of questions about the "BRICS cable". First, why concern
about fragmentation ("balkanization"), if I understand correctly
the idea is not to propose a BRICS firewall, my email will still reach you
etc, it's not a proposal to censor the net. I think this mis-guided and
unhelpful to the proposal. Second, any detail of the cable: who will build,
who are the partners (and has anyone looked at the telecom/appropriate law
of potential partner countries? Suspect we might not like what we find --
US and UK not alone in having bad law.)<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
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On Oct 3, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote:<br>
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> Sorry for any duplication of this message.<br>
><br>
> To all those that might be interested, I would like to share the
summary and the recorded video of the debate "Is Brazil leading a new
revolution in global digital policy?", which was co-organized by
DiploFoundation and the Center for Technology and Society of FGV Rio de
Janeiro. <a href="http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/webinar-digest-brazil-leading-new-revolution-global-digital-policy" target="_blank">http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/webinar-digest-brazil-leading-new-revolution-global-digital-policy</a><br>
><br>
> I also take the opportunity to share with you that the third issue of
the Newsletter Digital Rights in Latin America and the Caribbean. This
joint initiative from ADC, Fundación Karisma, Derechos Digitales and
CTS/FGV is a very good source of information about key issues and emerging
trends in the regional scenario. It is published in English, Spanish and
Portuguese. <a href="http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en/" target="_blank">http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en/</a><br>
><br>
> Best wishes<br>
><br>
> Marília<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Marília Maciel<br>
> Pesquisadora Gestora<br>
> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio<br>
><br>
> Researcher and Coordinator<br>
> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School<br>
> <a href="http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts" target="_blank">http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts</a><br>
><br>
> DiploFoundation associate<br>
> <a href="http://www.diplomacy.edu" target="_blank">www.diplomacy.edu</a><br>
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