[governance] Re: [bestbits] civil society role in Brazil meeting
parminder
parminder at itforchange.net
Wed Nov 20 00:09:41 EST 2013
Marilia
I has asked to only be clear that *for the purpose of organsing the
forthcoming Brazil meeting* civil society would want independent and
direct liason with Brazil gov. I have no comment here whether or not we
engage with 1net and if so how (Though I think we indeed should engage
laterally with that group.)..... There is adequate evidence that Brazil
gov thinks that it is ok to have 1net coordinates non gov participation
on the meeting, We have to specifically address this point. If we dont,
we remain where we are -- and most likely having to go through the
1net.... Governments need clear and precise communication on such
things. In the background where we stand today, that can be made only be
made by clearly sayign that *we do not want our representation to be
fronted or channeled through 1net*. Anything less will not clear the
misconceptions that seem solidly settled in Brazilian's mind at present.
I think we have gone back and forth for too long about what to say to
the Brazil gov on our role in the Brazil meeting - for about a month
now... As a consequence our role is being and will continue to be
determined by default, as a part of other stakeholderholder groups'
strategies.
I rest my case here, parminder
On Tuesday 19 November 2013 09:08 PM, Marilia Maciel wrote:
> Just to clarify further: I am not against the letter Parminder
> suggested, just think we could calibrate the language not to dismiss
> 1net as an option for participation.
> M
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Marilia Maciel
> <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Parminder,
>
> I am writing from ICANN meeting in BA where some folks from CS are
> also arguing for transparency, openness and participation for
> civil society in the Brazil process. In a similar way that we
> raised this in the IGF during meetings with the Brazilian
> government in the iStart meeting and in other spaces, we are doing
> it here with ICANN staff (Fadi, Thereza, Board members), with
> governments, etc. My very quick thoughts based on the present
> situation (things are changing very fast, so I reserve the right
> to change opinion) is:
>
> - It is not either/or. Both things should be done together:
> populate and participate 1net and continue to organize ourselves
> in our own spaces, sending contributions as IGC, BB or individual
> organizations. It is not clear yet how relevant 1net will be, but
> there is a possibility it will be important, so we should not be
> out of it. We also need a channel to exchange with other groups
> and this could be the channel
>
> - We need to make sure that a steering committee of 1 net is
> representative and includes CS reps chosen by CS itself
>
> - 1 net does not exist so far and does not have a committee. What
> people are doing is going straight to Fadi or to the Br gov. For
> communication purposes, we have appointed liaisons and should
> reinforce that these people are our liaisons for the moment until
> 1 net exists and until (and if) we feel comfortable with it.
>
> - Our liaisons need to be included in all meetings
>
> Marília
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM, parminder
> <parminder at itforchange.net <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> There are strong indications from all round that Brazil gov
> may just be taking the easy expedient to channelise non gov
> participation in the Brazil meeting through the 1net
> structure.... And we know that there was overwhelming feeling
> among civil society that this should not be allowed, and we
> should have a direct liason. (Civil society outside the active
> IG kind is even more strongly of this view). Are we know
> willing to come out of our paralysis?
>
> Lets write a short and succinct letter that we want direct and
> independent liason to the Brazil meeting and want to
> independently present our liasons directly accountable to us
> and not through the 1net or whatever...And just forward the
> four Brazilain names we have as our liasons... We do not have
> to change/ expand that liason structure. Havent the time for
> that. (and if some people insist, we can always do it a bit
> later). The following is a quick text suggestion...
>
> We of the undersigned civil society networks and groups
> are pleased to note that Brazil has made a formal
> announcement of a ............. (put the official name of
> the meeting here) . We are happy to help the government of
> Brazil organise this meeting and take it to a successful
> conclusion. We have chosen the below mentioned four
> persons to be our liason to the Brazilian government and
> also to be put on any steering committee that may be set up.
>
> ....
> ......
>
> ......
> ...... the names of our four Brazilian liasons
>
> Please include our above representatives in all meetings,
> formal presentations etc that will henceforth take place
> regarding the proposed multistakeholder meeting on the
> future of the Internet..... We will route our inputs to
> the organisation of this meeting through these reps...
>
> Signed
>
>
> (ends)
>
> parminder
>
>
>
>
>
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> Researcher and Coordinator
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> *Marília Maciel*
> Pesquisadora Gestora
> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>
> Researcher and Coordinator
> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>
> DiploFoundation associate
> www.diplomacy.edu <http://www.diplomacy.edu>
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