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    <font face="Verdana">Marilia<br>
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      I has asked to only be clear that *for the purpose of organsing
      the forthcoming Brazil meeting* civil society would want
      independent and direct liason with Brazil gov. I have no comment
      here whether or not we engage with 1net and if so how (Though I
      think we indeed should engage laterally with that group.).....
      There is adequate evidence that Brazil gov thinks that it is ok to
      have 1net coordinates non gov participation on the meeting, We
      have to specifically address this point. If we dont, we remain
      where we are -- and most likely having to go through the 1net....
      Governments need clear and precise communication on such things.
      In the background where we stand today, that can be made only be
      made by clearly sayign that *we do not want our representation to
      be fronted or channeled through 1net*. Anything less will not
      clear the misconceptions that seem solidly settled in Brazilian's
      mind at present.<br>
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      I think we have gone back and forth for too long about what to say
      to the Brazil gov on our role in the Brazil meeting - for about a
      month now... As a consequence our role is being and will continue
      to be determined by default, as a part of other stakeholderholder
      groups' strategies. <br>
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      I rest my case here, parminder <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 19 November 2013 09:08 PM,
      Marilia Maciel wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Just to clarify further: I am not against the
        letter Parminder suggested, just think we could calibrate the
        language not to dismiss 1net as an option for participation.
        <div>M</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM,
          Marilia Maciel <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com" target="_blank">mariliamaciel@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Hi Parminder,
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              <div>I am writing from ICANN meeting in BA where some
                folks from CS are also arguing for transparency,
                openness and participation for civil society in the
                Brazil process. In a similar way that we raised this in
                the IGF during meetings with the Brazilian government in
                the iStart meeting and in other spaces, we are doing it
                here with ICANN staff (Fadi, Thereza, Board members),
                with governments, etc. My very quick thoughts based on
                the present situation (things are changing very fast, so
                I reserve the right to change opinion) is:</div>
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              <div>- It is not either/or. Both things should be done
                together: populate and participate 1net and continue to
                organize ourselves in our own spaces, sending
                contributions as IGC, BB or individual organizations. It
                is not clear yet how relevant 1net will be, but there is
                a possibility it will be important, so we should not be
                out of it. We also need a channel to exchange with other
                groups and this could be the channel</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>- We need to make sure that a steering committee of 1
                net is representative and includes CS reps chosen by CS
                itself </div>
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              <div>- 1 net does not exist so far and does not have a
                committee. What people are doing is going straight to
                Fadi or to the Br gov. For communication purposes, we
                have appointed liaisons and should reinforce that these
                people are our liaisons for the moment until 1 net
                exists and until (and if) we feel comfortable with it. </div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>- Our liaisons need to be included in all meetings</div>
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              <div>Marília  </div>
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                    On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM, parminder <span
                      dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
                        target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                          face="Verdana">Dear All<br>
                          <br>
                          There are strong indications from all round
                          that Brazil gov may just be taking the easy
                          expedient to channelise non gov participation
                          in the Brazil meeting through the 1net
                          structure.... And we know that there was
                          overwhelming feeling among civil society that
                          this should not be allowed, and we should have
                          a direct liason. (Civil society outside the
                          active IG kind is even more strongly of this
                          view). Are we know willing to come out of our
                          paralysis?<br>
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                          Lets write a short and succinct letter that we
                          want direct and independent liason to the
                          Brazil meeting and want to independently
                          present our liasons directly accountable to us
                          and not through the 1net or whatever...And
                          just forward the four Brazilain names we have
                          as our liasons... We do not have to change/
                          expand that liason structure. Havent the time
                          for that. (and if some people insist, we can
                          always do it a bit later). The following is a
                          quick text suggestion... <br>
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                        <blockquote><font face="Verdana">We of the
                            undersigned civil society networks and
                            groups are pleased to note that Brazil has
                            made a formal announcement of a
                            ............. (put the official name of the
                            meeting here) . We are happy to help the
                            government of Brazil organise this meeting
                            and take it to a successful conclusion.  We
                            have chosen the below mentioned four persons
                            to be our liason to the Brazilian government
                            and also to be put on any steering committee
                            that may be set up.</font><br>
                          <br>
                          <font face="Verdana">....</font><br>
                          <font face="Verdana">......</font><br>
                          <br>
                          <font face="Verdana">......</font><br>
                          <font face="Verdana">...... the names of our
                            four Brazilian liasons </font><br>
                          <br>
                          <font face="Verdana">Please include our above
                            representatives in all meetings, formal
                            presentations etc that will henceforth take
                            place regarding the proposed
                            multistakeholder meeting on the future of
                            the Internet.....</font> We will route our
                          inputs to the organisation of this meeting
                          through these reps...<br>
                          <br>
                          <font face="Verdana">Signed</font><br>
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