[governance] [bestbits] civil society role in Brazil meeting

McTim dogwallah at gmail.com
Tue Nov 19 15:01:18 EST 2013 

Thank you Mawaki, all below very well said!

May I just add that from a Big Picture perspective this is a enormous
opportunity to advance the agenda that many in CS have been pushing
for a decade.  We now have a T&A backed dance partner.  It would be a
shame not to take advantage of it!

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I was precisely thinking to John (who always speaks only for himself,
> just like me ;)) and to Adiel, as they responded to Jeremy's reservations
> about 1net. I think we need to set aside mistrust and other such
> feelings/perceptions and do our best to make this work, at least until we
> are proven wrong with hard facts. And frankly, I don't see how this would
> happen since it has been recognized that we can have our direct channel to
> BR gov for the sole purpose of the BR conference.
>
> Unless...
> Is this about strategizing and positioning for post-BRconference? Hmmm...
> we'll still have time to assess the situation by then (including the meeting
> outcomes) and decide whether to make IGC or BB the CS counterpart and
> parallel to 1net or not. Just hoping this is not going to be an open season
> for power grab on the part of CSOs, which might be the only explanation
> left, in my opinion, for refusing to engage and cooperate with critical
> non-state stakeholders who would have shown good faith so far.
>
> Suresh, why can't we all get along? why am I often under the impression that
> you're trying to nag someone or are those just nudges? oh, then my bad! ;)
>
> mc.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM, John Curran <jcurran at istaff.org> wrote:
>>
>> Suresh -
>>
>> It is my understanding the 1net initiative is about catalyzing "a
>> multi-stakeholder movement to
>> develop, through an open processes, a framework for evolving, broadening
>> and strengthening
>> Internet Governance/Cooperation arrangements, and to advocate for its
>> adoption."   That's
>> likely to last some number of years (i.e. longer then the Brazil meeting)
>> and (in my opinion), it
>> cannot be the case that participating in 1net closes opportunity for
>> expression or participation
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> CS should participate in 1net if believes that the it will advance CS's
>> goals and mission.
>>
>> CS should reach out and seek representation and participation in other
>> forums as it feels
>> appropriate.  If the purpose of the letter is "technical community is not
>> civil society, shut
>> them out", then that does not seem particularly productive to me (but it's
>> still your right to
>> do so.) If the purpose of a letter is to note that 1net is a fledging
>> organization that at this
>> point cannot reasonably be expected to represent CS with respect to the
>> Brazil meeting
>> planning activities and that you'd prefer to make CS appointments
>> directly, then it's worth
>> making that point.  You could even cc the 1net Steering Committee (if one
>> should ever
>> come into being); they may even concur with the observation.
>>
>> /John
>>
>> Disclaimer: Very much my own views, and solely as one Internet citizen on
>> this mailing list.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 19-Nov-2013, at 21:27, Suresh Ramasubramanian <srs at savitr.info> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, but that'd probably defeat the whole raison d'etre of that letter :)
>>
>> "technical community is not civil society, shut them out" etc etc.
>>
>> I say that while echoing multiple calls for transparency.
>>
>> --srs (iPad)
>>
>> On 19-Nov-2013, at 21:08, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just to clarify further: I am not against the letter Parminder suggested,
>> just think we could calibrate the language not to dismiss 1net as an option
>> for participation.
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Parminder,
>>>
>>> I am writing from ICANN meeting in BA where some folks from CS are also
>>> arguing for transparency, openness and participation for civil society in
>>> the Brazil process. In a similar way that we raised this in the IGF during
>>> meetings with the Brazilian government in the iStart meeting and in other
>>> spaces, we are doing it here with ICANN staff (Fadi, Thereza, Board
>>> members), with governments, etc. My very quick thoughts based on the present
>>> situation (things are changing very fast, so I reserve the right to change
>>> opinion) is:
>>>
>>> - It is not either/or. Both things should be done together: populate and
>>> participate 1net and continue to organize ourselves in our own spaces,
>>> sending contributions as IGC, BB or individual organizations. It is not
>>> clear yet how relevant 1net will be, but there is a possibility it will be
>>> important, so we should not be out of it. We also need a channel to exchange
>>> with other groups and this could be the channel
>>>
>>> - We need to make sure that a steering committee of 1 net is
>>> representative and includes CS reps chosen by CS itself
>>>
>>> - 1 net does not exist so far and does not have a committee. What people
>>> are doing is going straight to Fadi or to the Br gov. For communication
>>> purposes, we have appointed liaisons and should reinforce that these people
>>> are our liaisons for the moment until 1 net exists and until (and if) we
>>> feel comfortable with it.
>>>
>>> - Our liaisons need to be included in all meetings
>>>
>>> Marília
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear All
>>>>
>>>> There are strong indications from all round that Brazil gov may just be
>>>> taking the easy expedient to channelise non gov participation in the Brazil
>>>> meeting through the 1net structure.... And we know that there was
>>>> overwhelming feeling among civil society that this should not be allowed,
>>>> and we should have a direct liason. (Civil society outside the active IG
>>>> kind is even more strongly of this view). Are we know willing to come out of
>>>> our paralysis?
>>>>
>>>> Lets write a short and succinct letter that we want direct and
>>>> independent liason to the Brazil meeting and want to independently present
>>>> our liasons directly accountable to us and not through the 1net or
>>>> whatever...And just forward the four Brazilain names we have as our
>>>> liasons... We do not have to change/ expand that liason structure. Havent
>>>> the time for that. (and if some people insist, we can always do it a bit
>>>> later). The following is a quick text suggestion...
>>>>
>>>> We of the undersigned civil society networks and groups are pleased to
>>>> note that Brazil has made a formal announcement of a ............. (put the
>>>> official name of the meeting here) . We are happy to help the government of
>>>> Brazil organise this meeting and take it to a successful conclusion.  We
>>>> have chosen the below mentioned four persons to be our liason to the
>>>> Brazilian government and also to be put on any steering committee that may
>>>> be set up.
>>>>
>>>> ....
>>>> ......
>>>>
>>>> ......
>>>> ...... the names of our four Brazilian liasons
>>>>
>>>> Please include our above representatives in all meetings, formal
>>>> presentations etc that will henceforth take place regarding the proposed
>>>> multistakeholder meeting on the future of the Internet..... We will route
>>>> our inputs to the organisation of this meeting through these reps...
>>>>
>>>> Signed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (ends)
>>>>
>>>> parminder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marília Maciel
>>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>
>>> Researcher and Coordinator
>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>
>>> DiploFoundation associate
>>> www.diplomacy.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marília Maciel
>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>
>> Researcher and Coordinator
>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>
>> DiploFoundation associate
>> www.diplomacy.edu
>>
>>
>>
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