[governance] [bestbits] civil society role in Brazil meeting

Mawaki Chango kichango at gmail.com
Tue Nov 19 12:50:48 EST 2013 

Well, I was precisely thinking to John (who always speaks only for himself,
just like me ;)) and to Adiel, as they responded to Jeremy's reservations
about 1net. I think we need to set aside mistrust and other such
feelings/perceptions and do our best to make this work, at least until we
are proven wrong with hard facts. And frankly, I don't see how this would
happen since it has been recognized that we can have our direct channel to
BR gov for the sole purpose of the BR conference.

Unless...
Is this about strategizing and positioning for post-BRconference? Hmmm...
we'll still have time to assess the situation by then (including the
meeting outcomes) and decide whether to make IGC or BB the CS counterpart
and parallel to 1net or not. Just hoping this is not going to be an open
season for power grab on the part of CSOs, which might be the only
explanation left, in my opinion, for refusing to engage and cooperate with
critical non-state stakeholders who would have shown good faith so far.

Suresh, why can't we all get along? why am I often under the impression
that you're trying to nag someone or are those just nudges? oh, then my
bad! ;)

mc.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM, John Curran <jcurran at istaff.org> wrote:

> Suresh -
>
> It is my understanding the 1net initiative is about catalyzing "a
> multi-stakeholder movement to
> develop, through an open processes, a framework for evolving, broadening
> and strengthening
> Internet Governance/Cooperation arrangements, and to advocate for
> its adoption."   That's
> likely to last some number of years (i.e. longer then the Brazil meeting)
> and (in my opinion), it
> cannot be the case that participating in 1net closes opportunity for
> expression or participation
> elsewhere.
>
> CS should participate in 1net if believes that the it will advance CS's
> goals and mission.
>
> CS should reach out and seek representation and participation in other
> forums as it feels
> appropriate.  If the purpose of the letter is "technical community is not
> civil society, shut
> them out", then that does not seem particularly productive to me (but it's
> still your right to
> do so.) If the purpose of a letter is to note that 1net is a fledging
> organization that at this
> point cannot reasonably be expected to represent CS with respect to the
> Brazil meeting
> planning activities and that you'd prefer to make CS appointments
> directly, then it's worth
> making that point.  You could even cc the 1net Steering Committee (if one
> should ever
> come into being); they may even concur with the observation.
>
> /John
>
> Disclaimer: Very much my own views, and solely as one Internet citizen on
> this mailing list.
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
> wrote:
>
> On 19-Nov-2013, at 21:27, Suresh Ramasubramanian <srs at savitr.info> wrote:
>
> Oh, but that'd probably defeat the whole raison d'etre of that letter :)
>
> "technical community is not civil society, shut them out" etc etc.
>
> I say that while echoing multiple calls for transparency.
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 19-Nov-2013, at 21:08, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Just to clarify further: I am not against the letter Parminder suggested,
> just think we could calibrate the language not to dismiss 1net as an option
> for participation.
> M
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Parminder,
>>
>> I am writing from ICANN meeting in BA where some folks from CS are also
>> arguing for transparency, openness and participation for civil society in
>> the Brazil process. In a similar way that we raised this in the IGF during
>> meetings with the Brazilian government in the iStart meeting and in other
>> spaces, we are doing it here with ICANN staff (Fadi, Thereza, Board
>> members), with governments, etc. My very quick thoughts based on the
>> present situation (things are changing very fast, so I reserve the right to
>> change opinion) is:
>>
>> - It is not either/or. Both things should be done together: populate and
>> participate 1net and continue to organize ourselves in our own spaces,
>> sending contributions as IGC, BB or individual organizations. It is not
>> clear yet how relevant 1net will be, but there is a possibility it will be
>> important, so we should not be out of it. We also need a channel to
>> exchange with other groups and this could be the channel
>>
>> - We need to make sure that a steering committee of 1 net is
>> representative and includes CS reps chosen by CS itself
>>
>> - 1 net does not exist so far and does not have a committee. What people
>> are doing is going straight to Fadi or to the Br gov. For communication
>> purposes, we have appointed liaisons and should reinforce that these people
>> are our liaisons for the moment until 1 net exists and until (and if) we
>> feel comfortable with it.
>>
>> - Our liaisons need to be included in all meetings
>>
>> Marília
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>wrote:
>>
>>>  Dear All
>>>
>>> There are strong indications from all round that Brazil gov may just be
>>> taking the easy expedient to channelise non gov participation in the Brazil
>>> meeting through the 1net structure.... And we know that there was
>>> overwhelming feeling among civil society that this should not be allowed,
>>> and we should have a direct liason. (Civil society outside the active IG
>>> kind is even more strongly of this view). Are we know willing to come out
>>> of our paralysis?
>>>
>>> Lets write a short and succinct letter that we want direct and
>>> independent liason to the Brazil meeting and want to independently present
>>> our liasons directly accountable to us and not through the 1net or
>>> whatever...And just forward the four Brazilain names we have as our
>>> liasons... We do not have to change/ expand that liason structure. Havent
>>> the time for that. (and if some people insist, we can always do it a bit
>>> later). The following is a quick text suggestion...
>>>
>>>  We of the undersigned civil society networks and groups are pleased to
>>> note that Brazil has made a formal announcement of a ............. (put the
>>> official name of the meeting here) . We are happy to help the government of
>>> Brazil organise this meeting and take it to a successful conclusion.  We
>>> have chosen the below mentioned four persons to be our liason to the
>>> Brazilian government and also to be put on any steering committee that may
>>> be set up.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> ......
>>>
>>> ......
>>> ...... the names of our four Brazilian liasons
>>>
>>> Please include our above representatives in all meetings, formal
>>> presentations etc that will henceforth take place regarding the proposed
>>> multistakeholder meeting on the future of the Internet..... We will
>>> route our inputs to the organisation of this meeting through these reps...
>>>
>>> Signed
>>>
>>>
>>> (ends)
>>>
>>> parminder
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *Marília Maciel*
>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>
>> Researcher and Coordinator
>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>
>> DiploFoundation associate
>> www.diplomacy.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Marília Maciel*
> Pesquisadora Gestora
> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>
> Researcher and Coordinator
> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>
> DiploFoundation associate
> www.diplomacy.edu
>
>
>
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